Well it's not me, and that ain't very nice, to be fair
On 15 March 2012 14:28, Cynicalgeek <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
And now somebody is filling out forms in my name and having local
business call me for their services.
Real pros on here.
First porn, now you're making my phone ring with bogus requests.
Real pros.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Doug Hampshire
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Don't make me stop this car. Because I will and you can just
sit there until you learn to behave.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Link
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Aww, but dad, we were having so much fun!
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Doug Hampshire
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I disconcur (unconcur, misconcur?) Over my also very
long association with this and other techie lists
(especially Peter's old Exchange list) I've found
many, many things being taken offlist. Of course IIRC
almost all of those things have involved consuming
copious amount of adult beverages (and yes, we have
actually caused certain bars to run out of specific
brands of said beverages). Some of those offlist
contacts have become lifelong friends (even unto
death, RIP JRH, Mr. Houge, and Mr. Southworth). I've
also worked with many of the same people either
directly (various list members have worked for me
before) or via various consulting arrangements.
That being said, there are no "masters" here. There is
no secret cabal. I've only seen personal types of
comments when A) they are actually good friends with
the person and are just yanking their chain, or B)
that person has been such a douche bag that it appears
that it's the only way to get them to listen (most
still don't).
Being a "real" person here has had a significant
impact on my personal and professional life. If you
think how you conduct yourself on some techie list
doesn't matter, you are sadly mistaken. The good news
is pretty much everyone I've personally encountered
here and on other tech lists (probably 50-75 people)
are very forgiving and welcoming people. My
recommendation is to be a Real Person (tm) and
consider the feedback people give you. It also helps
if you buy a round when you do meet list members in
person. (For those that are not adept at grasping the
scope of my advice here, I'm NOT speaking to Mr.
Harris. I'm addressing multiple other offenders here.
I just happened to pick his message to reply to.)
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Jon Harris
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In all my years on this list I have never heard of
anyone taking anything beyond the list unless it
was a comment that did not belong on the list
being sent directly to the email address of the
subscribed individual usually then it help of some
kind not attacks.
BTW I go back to about 97 or 98 so that is a LONG
time.
Jon
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think your moniker is well-deserved -
"masters" of the list is very cynical. I don't
see it that way. And if anyone from this list
saw fit to speak to my employer or attack me
personally via telephone or snail mail, I'd
see fit to go over to knock on their door and
have it out with them. I come from a pretty
grassroots place so if someone's out of order
we tend to see nothing wrong with getting down
on the cobbles, if necessary, and sorting it
out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone
here would do that, though. Maybe I'm "naive
geek", but I'm not worrying about it.
IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers.
Signature will soon be gone.
Cheers,
JR
On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's pretty easy to ignore a signature,
but to have to ignore it hundreds or
thousands of times when it's including in
replies by other people just doesn't make
any sense to me. But....whatever.
You know I've considered using my real
name on here several times. However,
after seeing how a lot of the "masters" of
this list treat the readers of the list,
I'll never do it. The "masters" find
enjoyment in berating and personally
attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't
put it past some or the "masters" to
actually look somebody up and either A)
call a list member's employer to complain,
or B) personally attack (verbally) in real
life over the phone, via snail mail, etc.
This list is still useful but there is a
lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that
has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek'
email address not using my real name.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan
Link <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's pretty easy to ignore a
signature. It's also funny, so I tend
to give it a pass. I've seen worse
signatures with huge pictures, those
are pretty objectionable. The list
members have come down hard on people
with huge graphics and whatnot in
their signature. Is Mr Rankin's
long? Yeah, but it's text and it
doesn't stand out and cry for my
attention, either.
Turning this on its head. If you
expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin
trimming his signature, why is it
unreasonable for someone to ask you to
use your real name? Or at least use
an alias that appears legitimate.
Community is built when people "know"
who their peers are.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM,
Cynicalgeek <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
#1 I read nothing in the EULA
about having to use my real first
and last name.
#2 I shouldn't have said that the
LISTSERV should munge the long
signature, I should have said that
list owners should gently ask
users not to use signatures that
are incredibly long and useless.
#3 I'm trying to make constructive
suggestions that would help the
community of this list...solutions
that would cost members of the
list NOTHING and improve the
service of the list.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM,
Don Ely <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
1 demerit for you sir!
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02
PM, Jon Harris
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Now someone is either
dreaming or you have had
way too many beers tonight
sir.
Jon
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at
1:39 AM, Don Ely
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
And while were at it,
posts will only
accepted by the
listserv provided they
contain the
appropriate amount of
research has been
completed with
references included!
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012
at 9:55 PM, Gary
Slinger
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Equally, if it
purged everyone
that doesn't post
with a cleartext
real-world name,
that would be a
good thing also.
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Sent: Mar 13, 2012
23:28
Personally I think
if the LISTSERV
would munge James
Rankins' email
signature on
demand we would
all be better off. ;)
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 13, 2012,
at 9:37 PM, Bill
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> wow. 4 hour
delays on
postings. really,
this should be
fixed or ditch lyris.
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