Whilst MCSE is an achievement, it's probably no more than a baseline in the 
industry. Do you really want to put your MCSE cert on the wall or something?

If you go to university and complete a 3-4 year degree - what do you get? A 
rolled up piece of paper (and your academic record). That's generally a lot 
more work, and you still get diddly-squat.

Cheers
Ken

MCITP, MCTS, MCSE+Security, MCDBA, MCSA, MCP, blah, blah
M.BT (UNSW), B.Com (UNSW)
Microsoft MVP - Identity and Access Management (IIS)
Blah, blah, blah



From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCP Welcome Kit - Cheap Looking


Yeah that would have been nice after all the work.  Better than a cheap cert 
and nice magnetic pin I have to keep away from machines anyway.

Jon
On Jan 31, 2008 6:14 AM, Cliff Partlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:


Far be it from me to stir anything up but, Microsoft used to give us 1 free 
year to TechNet for new MCSE.



"From The Sunny Side Of The Street!"

Cliff P.



From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:45 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCP Welcome Kit - Cheap Looking





Personally I had hoped for some free software for all the hard work to get the 
(*&%^&^%$& thing.  I got pretty much the same thing that your did.  Do you 
still get the magnetic pin?



Jon

On Jan 31, 2008 4:38 AM, Cliff Partlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:

This is exactly what we were saying 10 years ago:-)

"From The Sunny Side Of The Street!"
Cliff P.

-----Original Message-----
From: WL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: MCP Welcome Kit - Cheap Looking

They should just send you a .pdf file to print for yourself.

Isn't it just a 'feel good' thing anyway?


On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Phil Guevara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else think the MCP welcome kits got kinda cheap looking?
>
> When I first got my mcp, I got a pin, a nice certificate and it came in a
> secure box.
>
> Now when I received my mcse recently, the certificate changed and looks
soo
> cheap.  The seal of approval looks cheesy and it came in a flimsy carton
> that bends easily so the certificate arrives all bent up.
>
> I worked really hard for this, despite the many paper mcse's out there,
and
> I just thought they should improve it instead of make it look worse.
Anyone
> else feel the same way??
>
> -Phil
>
>
>

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