Every environment needs to evaluate the risk that they can tolerate and either mitigate it to acceptable levels or simply stop at the level of acceptance.
Cloud is not the answer to every technology or business problem, but it is often a viable answer and should be considered as such. 10 years ago, the same valid points you've made were leveled at proponents of internet-based services. For those who wanted the advantages, enough ways were found to mitigate the disadvantages that it has become quite ubiquitous... * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]>wrote: > It's about appropriately determining risk you want to take. I've had a > huge push to adopt cloud services for much of our infrastructure. I always > turn it back, how much time can we risk being without access to our > data/resources on the busiest day of the year? When it's in the cloud, I > can't do a make-fix solution to get partial access restored. > > Problems do happen everywhere. In some places though, I can be in a > position to workaround them or I can be standing around useless like > everyone else. > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And, it's not like all these on-premise servers has 100% uptime over the >> past few years, what with malware, power issues, hardware failures, >> mistaken configuration problems, and upgrade woes. >> >> Problems happen. Everywhere. >> >> * * >> >> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of >> Technology for the SMB market… >> >> * >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Well then, let's put things in perspective. I've had my personal mail >>> domain hosted by Microsoft for several years now and I've never experienced >>> an outage. I know someone with Office 365 and he did. >>> >>> So, have they had outages? Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo.... sure. For >>> everyone? Was it just the free services or ALL of the pay services. Let's >>> not get into claiming that it affected millions on millions of people when >>> most of the time a few hundred to a few thousand were affected and most had >>> service restored in a few hours. >>> >>> We have some resilience with various apps at work and we work really >>> hard to maintain uptime, yet the storage team missed a small, yet evidently >>> very important check box on the new SAN last weekend and as a result, >>> Monday was a joy to be in the office. The only thing we could do was wait >>> for the storage team to correct the issue which just took time. >>> >>> So the cloud is no different then anyone's office. If you have a paid >>> service then you have SLA's and penalties for those not being met. >>> >>> Three of our various data centers will also being going upgrades to the >>> power in the next few months. While we have some resilience, we aren't >>> that large that we will have all services available when we shut the main >>> site down. AS a result, we get an outage. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Greg Sweers <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I would say for organizations with less than 200 people scheduled >>>> downtime is the norm. That is getting shorter with the combination of >>>> "Cloud" technologies and as hardware continues to get cheaper. I agree >>>> that larger organizations can afford the technology to prevent downtime as >>>> their downtime cost around a 24x7 schedule is easily justified with an ROI. >>>> I don’t know any SMB's that can't afford an hour downtime in the middle of >>>> the night for automatic patching, reboots, etc...and most of them do LOB >>>> apps upgrades once or twice a year for a few hours.. Hardly a business >>>> case for that kind of tech/software. >>>> >>>> Greg Sweers >>>> CEO >>>> ACTS360.com >>>> P.O. Box 1193 >>>> Brandon, FL 33509 >>>> 813-657-0849 Office >>>> 813-758-6850 Cell >>>> 813-341-1270 Fax >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:15 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: No more SBS >>>> >>>> Scheduled downtime is a good thing, especially in SMBs - when you don't >>>> have monetary resources, you use time and energy. Most small businesses >>>> have times when they're not staffed, and those are good times to do >>>> patching, upgrading, reconfiguring, etc. >>>> >>>> Larger businesses have the resources to pull these things off behind >>>> the scenes. >>>> >>>> Kurt >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Michael B. Smith <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Eh, downtime is downtime. Call me oldschool. >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 6:07 PM >>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> > Subject: Re: No more SBS >>>> > >>>> > There have been major outages of several hours each in several of the >>>> major cloud providers at the most inconvenient times - scheduled downtime >>>> is one thing, unscheduled outages another. >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> eh? Poor uptime records for clouds? >>>> >> >>>> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> This is unfortunate thinking, given the poor uptime record for >>>> >>> clouds in general, and it's worse when you consider connectivity >>>> >>> issues as part of that equation. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Kurt >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Rod Trent <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> > Microsoft assumes, as do a lot of others, that small business are >>>> >>> > the easiest to move to the cloud and actually get the most, >>>> >>> > immediate benefit. >>>> >>> > No need for on-premise hardware. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:48 PM >>>> >>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >>> > Subject: RE: No more SBS >>>> >>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > There will continue to be a SBS 2011 Essentials. But it doesn’t >>>> >>> > include SQL or Exchange. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > I disagree with their decision, as does every SBS MVP. :-P >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > However, I see it as an ongoing “move to the Enterprise” for >>>> Microsoft. >>>> >>> > They >>>> >>> > are abandoning their small business roots. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > From: Webster [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:33 PM >>>> >>> >>>> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >>> > Subject: No more SBS >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > I don’t see the product in the environments I work in but >>>> >>> > Microsoft says no more SBS. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-goes-public-with-windows-server-201 >>>> >>> > 2 >>>> >>> > -versions-licensing-7000000341/ >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/D/B/4DB352D1-C610-466A-9A >>>> >>> > A F-EEF4F4CFFF27/WS2012_Licensing-Pricing_FAQ.pdf >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Q33. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business Server >>>> >>> > 2011 Standard? >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard, which includes >>>> >>> > Exchange Server and Windows server component products, will be the >>>> >>> > final such Windows Server offering. This change is in response to >>>> >>> > small business market trends and behavior. The small business >>>> >>> > computing trends are moving in the direction of cloud computing >>>> >>> > for applications and services such as email, online back-up and >>>> >>> > line-of-business tools. 13 >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Q34. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business 2011 >>>> >>> > Premium Add-on? >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Premium Add-on, which >>>> >>> > includes SQL Server and Windows Server as component products, will >>>> >>> > be the final such Windows Server offering. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Carl Webster >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > http://www.CarlWebster.com >>>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
