Plus, it sounds like there's a fair bit of bureaucracy being paid for for that 135.
Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Andrew S. Baker Sent: 2/18/2013 5:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification I doubt that they get 1000s of applications a year, who then would be ineligible or unwilling to meet the rest of the criteria.... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker<http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker> Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market… On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:17 PM, ANDREW F OFALT <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: you guys did see these parts of the article, right? late June I paid the $135 application fee, they verified my MCSE/MCITP credentials submit my resume submit a current project summary doc I was accepted after Microsoft reviewed my application We coordinated a date/time for a phone interview to go over my application package A day or two after speaking with Ryan, I received an email stating that I had been accepted into the MCM Program and could schedule (and pay for) attending a session. Microsoft is probably cleaning up on the $135 application fee... Andy-0 ----- Original Message ----- Most college degrees are some multiple of the number in question -- usually 4x minimum. If people coming straight out of college can pass this test, or have the credentials for this level of work, then I could see your point. Again, Microsoft does not appear to be targeting this to "ye ol' admin" so, I'm not sure why the inability of ye ol' admin to get access to it is perceived as a negative. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Ray < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: If it’s going to be competing with the cost of a college degree it’s crazy. From: Ken Schaefer [mailto: [email protected] ] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: MCM certification I suppose one issue is that for every person that says “$20,000 is too much, it should be $10,000 and lots more people would do it”, there’s another person that will say “$10,000 is too much, it should be $5,000 and lots more people would do it”, and so on. Cheers Ken From: Christopher Bodnar [ mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ] Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013 7:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification Don't want to keep on this thread, it's obvious that most of you are in disagreement with me. I'm OK with that. But to your comment: I think I get who the certification is targeting. My point is that I think there is a larger population out there that might be interested in and possibly be valid candidates for, this certification in mid sized shops, but the cost is prohibitive. And I understand that there has to be a fee for this. And I even agree that MS isn't really making money off this. But just doing some basic numbers (I may be way off on these figures so don't crucify me on this). If there are 4 sessions a year in any given track (SQL, Messaging, DS, etc...)That's 100 people that need to pay for the course. Thats' $1.4milliion. Even say they cut this in half, they would only be reducing their revenue by $750K per track. In terms of MS, that is peanuts. This is not a revenue stream for MS, they are just trying to recoup some of the costs. But this would open it up to a much larger pool of potential candidates. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459<tel:610-807-6459> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com<http://www.guardianlife.com> From: "Andrew S. Baker" < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Date: 02/14/2013 02:59 PM Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification Chris, if you look at who that certification is targeting, the ROI is very, very straightforward. Lowering the price wouldn't lower the barrier that much, and the cost of the overall process must come from somewhere. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market… On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Was reading this yesterday: http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101 And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to this certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I think the certification is difficult enough without adding that as a factor to reduce the overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this certification. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider this certification, just based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, or that I even think I'm ready for something like this. I don't work for MS and I'm not a consultant. Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary groups of people seeking this certification. My employer would never consider this strictly based on cost and ROI. Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here? 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