Start the calculation one step further back.  Maybe it costs 2.8 million to run 
those 4 sessions per year for them to break even. In an attempt to lower the 
bar, they’ve already cut the cost in half and eaten the 1.4 million. If so, 
they’ve chosen a pretty fair split – MS pays half; candidate pays half.

My point is that unless it’s free, there’s always more they can do to lower the 
bar…to the point of paying for lost wages and flights and hotel for anyone that 
wants to take the training.

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: MCM certification

Don't want to keep on this thread, it's obvious that most of you are in 
disagreement with me. I'm OK with that. But to your comment:

I think I get who the certification is targeting. My point is that I think 
there is a larger population out there that might be interested in and possibly 
be valid candidates for, this  certification in mid sized shops, but the cost 
is prohibitive. And I understand that there has to be a fee for this. And I 
even agree that MS isn't really making money off this. But just doing some 
basic numbers (I may be way off on these figures so don't crucify me on this). 
If there are 4 sessions a year in any given track (SQL, Messaging, DS, 
etc...)That's 100 people that need to pay for the course. Thats' $1.4milliion. 
Even say they cut this in half, they would only be reducing their revenue by 
$750K per track. In terms of MS, that is peanuts. This is not a revenue stream 
for MS, they are just trying to recoup some of the costs. But this would open 
it up to a much larger pool of potential candidates.
Christopher Bodnar
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and Engineering Services

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From:        "Andrew S. Baker" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To:        "NT System Admin Issues" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date:        02/14/2013 02:59 PM
Subject:        Re: OT: MCM certification
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Chris, if you look at who that certification is targeting, the ROI is very, 
very straightforward.

Lowering the price wouldn't lower the barrier that much, and the cost of the 
overall process must come from somewhere.




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On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Christopher Bodnar 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Was reading this yesterday:

http://blogs.metcorpconsulting.com/tech/?p=1101

And got to thinking about this again. It still bothers me that the road to this 
certification is artificially blocked by monetary constraints. I think the 
certification is difficult enough without adding that as a factor to reduce the 
overall numbers just to increase the "value" of this certification. Maybe I'm 
in the minority, but I know I wont' even consider this certification, just 
based on the cost. Not that I think I would pass, or that I even think I'm 
ready for something like this. I don't work for MS and I'm not a consultant. 
Which from what I've seen are the 2 primary groups of people seeking this 
certification. My employer would never consider this strictly based on cost and 
ROI.

Anyone else of the same opinion? Or am I way off base here?


Chris




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