> I'll bet they have a backdoor that they're not willing to provide or > outline right now.
Maybe, but I doubt it. Otherwise someone would have found it and exploited it. Also, if the APs have this "feature", do the switches they sell do the same thing too? Will they stop passing traffic? > Also, I'll be keeping my eye out for alternative firmware as a hedge > against this particular issue. Ooh, good idea. I just checked, and it looks like those crazy kids at OpenWRT already have some of the Meraki APs loading their firmware. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:30:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Meraki > Such is life in the land of subscriptions and remote license checking. > > I'll bet they have a backdoor that they're not willing to provide or > outline right now. > > Also, I'll be keeping my eye out for alternative firmware as a hedge > against this particular issue. > > > > > > *ASB > **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>* > **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for > the SMB market…*** > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Matthew W. Ross > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > If they changed that to a 90 day grace period, then they will limit > > themselves in another way (Maybe a single SSID, or limited bandwidth, or > > limited antenna power, something like that...) I would feel better about > it. > > > > I just hate having to deal with anything that _depends_ on a service on > > the internet. What if that service is retired, or the company disappears? > > Does that mean the hardware becomes useless after 90 days? > > > > > > --Matt Ross > > Ephrata School District > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jon Harris > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 > > 20:34:33 -0800 > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > Here is the question and answer from Meraki about what happens when the > > > license expires. > > > > > > 1. What > > > happens when or if the license for the Cloud Management of the device > > lapse? > > > > > > - Devices have a 90 day grace period for renewal. Beyond > > > that, they will not be able to pass traffic. JonFrom: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:34:35 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The actual response was at the end of the contract + 90 days is when the > > > action would take place. The action in this instance was that "it would > > > stop passing traffic". When I get to work later I will cut the actual > > > question/answer from my email and send it to the list. > > > > > > I don't doubt that most larger businesses would keep this device under > > > contract. It would be very unwise to do otherwise, although I have seen > > > other businesses that depend on their network, not keep their high > dollar > > > network devices under contract. > > > > > > Like I said earlier did find the fact that unlike a lot of other IT > > directed > > > businesses they seemed to be more interested in allowing their hardware, > > in > > > this case, to sell themselves rather than have some sales drone push it > > > hard. That in itself to me is a big plus for the company. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: Meraki > > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:57:46 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't stop passing traffic and right now that’s not a hard cut > off. > > > We have gone a few weeks past an expiration and we can still monitor and > > > make changes. I am sure at some point though you would lose ability to > > > manage it. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the one part of the whole solution that I am concerned with, but > > in > > > almost all of my clients they keep up the warranty on their devices, > > > controllers, servers, etc because to have it fail and either the > > replacement > > > cost or downtime exposure is pretty > > > steep. The renewal cost on the licenses is paying for the service. > If > > > you factor the cost of a Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc by the time you pay > > for > > > the AP's, the controller and license cost I am pretty sure you would be > > very > > > close to the cost over 3 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > At least we were when we checked it over Ruckus on 3 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg Sweers > > > CEO > > > ACTS360.com > > > P.O. Box 1193 > > > Brandon, FL 33509 > > > 813-657-0849 Office > > > 813-644-3479 Cell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Adam Greene <[email protected]> > > > > > > Reply-To: "[email protected]" > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:27 AM > > > > > > To: "[email protected]" > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if after 3 years you just lose the ability to manage it via the > > > cloud. It seems pretty bad that the device itself would stop working if > > > you don’t renew the license. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jon Harris [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:57 PM > > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the > device > > > will stop passing traffic. At least that is what the sales drone told > > me. > > > I still don't know a > > > lot of homeowners or mom & pop SMB's that will buy into something that > > > requires this type of commitment or yearly price. I will know better > > after > > > I do my evaluation but I don't see it happening long term. Once I am > > > finished with my evaluation I get the lovely > > > chore of passing my findings to my boss here at work for him to think > > > about. We are not that commited to doing wireless except for BOD and > > > certain officers at only certain locations. This looked like something > > they > > > would think about but with the yearly cost > > > I don't know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:03:56 -0400 > > > > > > Subject: Re: Meraki > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > My understanding was that the devices came with a 3 YEAR cloud > license... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASB > > > > > > http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker > > > > > > Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) > for > > > the SMB market… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > After a little talking to a sales drone (quite nice they let me initiate > > the > > > conversation) I found out that if the Cloud Management License lapses by > > 90+ > > > days then the AP > > > will stop passing traffic. I don't know yet if that would be good > > thing or > > > bad. I guess I will have to actually do some testing of the device they > > are > > > shipping me to see if it is worth the MSRP of $150/AP/year. I can't see > > > this for homeowners or even a > > > lot of mom & pop SMBs. I don't think they will be willing to fork over > > the > > > year fee. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:23:41 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love the Meraki AP’s. We have 40+ over multiple clients. Easy > > > management, great performance. We had have replaced clients that were > > > having horrible > > > issues with Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc.. Not because the equipment > was > > > bad, but because the reseller sold it without the proper controllers, or > > > told them they could manage multiple sites from a web page, when in fact > > > they had to connect to the controller > > > locally at each site to manage…. Fortunately almost all of them were > > able > > > to return their products to reseller or direct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Setup the info on the dashboard. SSID, policies, etc.. > > > > > > Connect your laptop to the Meraki, set the IP/connection info, plug in > to > > > POE or injector and 2 mins later you are on and connected. Seamless > > roaming > > > across a > > > 12000 sqft facility with multiple walls, offices, floors. > > > > > > We have had what we think was just a bad manufacturing batch because > > about 4 > > > in a one month period arrived, plugged in and promptly (3 -4 mins) > fried. > > > Different > > > locations… But since then no issues. Prompt RMA service also.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the Firewalls…Same interface, excellent performance. Seriously > > > lacking on features and granular controls. Sonicwall, Watchguard have > > them > > > beat hands down. > > > Needs polishing on the usability of the interface as well. We are > > actively > > > involved with their development team as we have some of their higher end > > > stuff in our datacenter and I am unable to meet some client application > > > needs, but I am hopeful for some resolutions. > > > In the meantime I had to install my old Sonicwall 2040 to get around > it. > > > > > > If you are just looking for basic firewall and don’t need a lot of > higher > > > end firewall features the single management interface for everything is > > > really nice. > > > Automatic Site to Site with WAN Acceleration, Failover, etc are all > > > included. > > > > > > > > > > > > The switches have some huge promise too. We only have one at a client > > due > > > to price.. Definitely not the cheapest when you can get a 24 port HP > > 1910 > > > for 400 bucks > > > vs 1100+… > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg Sweers > > > > > > CEO > > > > > > ACTS360.com > > > > > > P.O. Box 1193 > > > > > > Brandon, FL 33509 > > > > > > 813-657-0849 Office > > > > > > 813-644-3479 Cell > > > > > > 813-644-3476 Fax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Tom Miller [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:56 AM > > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're looking at Meraki for our two manufacturing facilities. Here at > > HQ > > > we installed Cisco wireless last year. I've been trying to get Cisco to > > buy > > > back the > > > equipment so it would be Meraki everywhere. So far no luck - seems > like > > > they are pretty much separate companies. I'm still hopeful since I > like > > > the meraki management. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Patrick Salmon [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:38 PM > > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > > > Subject: OT: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > > > Since it came up the other week (and with full disclosure: I am a Cisco > > > employee and Meraki is now a part of Cisco), anybody want a free AP? > > Yeah. > > > Free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Follow link. sign up. Participate in webinar. Validate shipping details. > > > Done. Before I get spanked, it is limited to NA and EU so apologies to > > > anyone outside those geos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 802.11n, fully cloud-managed with a 3-yr subscription. Setup is a > breeze. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this a couple of months ago and was very happy with the MR16 they > > sent > > > (I'm pretty certain that's the $699 one referenced in the link) and when > > I > > > certified (SE's and > > > Cisco partners only) they replaced it with the MR24 (more radios) added > > the > > > NGFW and POE Switch. My home network is now entirely Meraki and while I > > have > > > incentive to be somewhat biased have found it to be uber cool in its own > > > right. Kinda harks back to the > > > good old days when you could get Cisco t-shirts and books just by > > finding > > > the right link; this is one such link, and you're welcome ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link here: http://www.meraki.com/freeap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > > > or send an email to [email protected] > > > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > > > or send an email to [email protected] > > > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! 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