On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Amer Karim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a question for the licensing gurus on this list:  does anyone know
> the SKU for the full Vista open or volume licenses?  Our licensing reps at
> Ingram and TechData are telling us that the only VL's for Vista are all
> upgrade licenses ...

  For Microsoft, *all* Volume Licenses for OSes are Upgrade only.
This has been the case since at least Windows 2000.  To quote
Microsoft:

"Volume License agreements—including Academic, Government, and Public
Sector—never cover the initial full Windows Client operating system
license. Volume License agreements cover only Windows Client upgrade
licenses. Windows upgrades are designed to upgrade previously acquired
qualifying desktop operating system licenses."
-- http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/faq.mspx

> for new orders we need to purchase an XP license and the Vista upgrade 
> license?

  For new computers, you need to have either an OEM license or an FPP
license.  Period.  OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) licenses are
those bundled with a new computer by the computer builder -- the
sticker-on-the-side-of-the-PC licenses.  FPP (Full Packaged Product)
licenses are the retail box kits.

  You cannot even purchase a Volume License for Windows XP and then
upgrade it to Vista, as the XP license is also Upgrade only.  (Well,
you could purchase them, but you still won't have a valid license, and
thus are just wasting your money.)

  Microsoft apparently just expects us to buy every license twice, or
do without the advantages of VL.  Welcome to the party!

-- Ben

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