raises hand at "Demented thinkers", and come to think of it, I've answered to "sick puppy" more than once.
________________________________ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized? Puppy ... Sick... Any questions... Too many Demented thinkers on this list... :-) Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 ________________________________ From: Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized? *EWG* is that a polite thing to ask in mixed company?? ROFLMAO!!! ________________________________ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized? How big are your databases Sherry, and how many folks are hitting them? Dave From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Will it *really* not work virtualized? We've got about 14 SQL and/or other production database servers running in VMWare, plus 3 - 4 times that many for Dev/Test environments with no issues. We do have our main Siebel production servers running on physical servers, but all the periphery Siebel apps are virtual. Some of the production SQL apps that we have virtual are Project Server, SharePoint, a POS app etc. On 7/22/08, John Hornbuckle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's a program to use in school libraries for checking books in and out. It uses an SQL database (http://www.fsc.follett.com/_files/fsc/secured/system_requirements/Dest% 20School%20sys%20reqs%2010685A%20PDF%20print%207_08a%20(2).pdf) <http://www.fsc.follett.com/_files/fsc/secured/system_requirements/Dest% 20School%20sys%20reqs%2010685A%20PDF%20print%207_08a%20%282%29.pdf%29> . We're a small district with small schools, and no app we've ever run on a server has come anywhere close to fully utilizing the hardware. That's one of the reasons I want to virtualize more. If the app will run on an XP "server" with a Pentium 4 processor, I can't imagine that it would be overly demanding. But they do say they require RAID 1 or 5, so they must be counting on a fair amount of I/O activity. But I wonder, what exactly is "high" I/O when it comes to figuring out if something will run okay on a virtual server? From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Will it *really* not work virtualized? Why would a product not work on a virtual server, well, one that is high I/O, as in a database server would possibly not work. What application specifically are you looking at that says this? We've used virtual servers for probably 5 years now, and we've always taken the approach that we will try it on a virtual server and if it doesn't work, then go to physical. So far, we're doing really good with that approach. 99% of what we've tried on a virtual server has worked. Now to counter that, we have always looked at what the application will be doing, evaluated the requirements and load, and made the decision on whether or not it's a good candidate for virtualization or not a good candidate for virtualization. Now with that said, I do have a caveat, I've never used Hyper-V and probably will never use it, we've been VMWare since we started with virtual server, first GSX now the latest release of ESX. So, I can't say how Hyper-V utilizes system resources compared to ESX..... On 7/22/08, John Hornbuckle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was looking over the system requirements for a particular piece of software we're looking at purchasing, and I noticed that it specifically says it has to be on a physical (non-virtual) machine. Now, this software doesn't have any special hardware requirements. Processor requirements are modest, as are requirements for RAM and storage space. And yet, the requirements explicitly say, "Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Standard or Enterprise without Hyper-V" (if Server 2008 is the OS--it also supports Server 2003, XP, or Vista as the server OS). As I've mentioned before, I'm brand new to server virtualization. I'm playing with Hyper-V right now for the first time. So, I'm sure I'm missing something. Why, exactly, would a product like this not work on a virtual server? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke -- Sherry Abercrombie "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~
