For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading. Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.
Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop IT team. They decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device apart since that had to be the problem. I sat down and drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS! From: Brian Desmond [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people who have no MS certs and never will. Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows platform should have an MCSE. When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit most task you do in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. ________________________________ From: "Ziots, Edward" <[email protected]> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Point taken, Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a change... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email: [email protected] Phone: 401-639-3505 MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ________________________________ From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security folks, it is of little to no value. Some of us like being Sys Admins. J From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Importance: High People are still running the M$ cert rat race? Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never will tho. Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements) Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for me.. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email: [email protected] Phone: 401-639-3505 MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ________________________________ From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MCSE question The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go through the whole thing for 2008. From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MCSE question Yes. 2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov <[email protected]> Hi all I have a question about certifications: I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs to stay competivite in this market. 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