Agreed. I'm not a "fan" of certs, but I concede that they can at minimum be a tie breaker. When I applied for my first admin gig it came down to me and another guy, and I won out on the simple fact I had a little CNA cert and the other guy had zip. Maybe it's years of admin experience that jades some of us, but at this point I feel if my resume, experience and references can't adequately demonstrate my abilities then the job just might be over my head anyhow.
Degree's - I don't have one of those either. As near as I can tell it's saved me from debt, but I also think I can't go any higher up the food chain w/out one (which actually suits me just fine :)). David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 From: Andy Shook [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question But sometimes, those pieces of paper are required for an interview \ consulting engagement \ pre-sales meeting. Necessary evil, in my mind. I hate the rat race but I keep current as it "validates" me\my company to the untrained prospect. 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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Rogov <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows platform should have an MCSE. When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit most task you do in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. ________________________________ From: "Ziots, Edward" <[email protected]> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Point taken, Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a change... Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Phone: 401-639-3505 MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ________________________________ From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security folks, it is of little to no value. Some of us like being Sys Admins. :) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question Importance: High People are still running the M$ cert rat race? Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never will tho. Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements) Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for me.. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Phone: 401-639-3505 MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ________________________________ From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MCSE question The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go through the whole thing for 2008. From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MCSE question Yes. 2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Hi all I have a question about certifications: I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs to stay competivite in this market. 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