I dont think I really agree that is a reasonable comparison.
When you look at Enterprise Directory Services applications on a Windows platform, how many choices do you have? Two? Maybe three? When you look at Enterprise Management applications on a Windows platform, how many choices do you have? Twelve? Fifteen? The market is fragmented in comparison. It also indicates that management applications on working on coming down-level. You dont need a thousand servers to get good data out of a management application any more. Five or six is enough But yes, it still requires a real investment. The applications are not self-tuning and are VERY noisy until you tune for your environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Using System Center for Management of about 700 Windows File Servers Your thoughts? Youre right you need to goto the right place to find the folks, but, that in itself says that there arent nearly as many talented folks in this space as others which have comparable histories. Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 From: Rod Trent [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Using System Center for Management of about 700 Windows File Servers Your thoughts? Limited number? Not sure about that. The knowledge pool is growing steadily and has been for the last 10 years for SMS/ConfigMgr and about the last 5 years for OpsMgr. Just need to find the right place to get access to those folks. IMO, both apps work in a logical manner i.e., how these types of systems should work. Of course, I guess it helps that Ive been working with them for 12+ years. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Using System Center for Management of about 700 Windows File Servers Your thoughts? Thats SMS/SCCM + SCOM. Expect to need a good amount of practice/specialized training to manage either of them if you havent before theyre both very complex applications. There are a limited number of people out there who really know either of them so its a worthwhile set of skills to develop IMO. I have not seen many customers who do either of these apps remotely right. Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Using System Center for Management of about 700 Windows File Servers Your thoughts? Three main problems, Configuration Management ( ability to set configuration settings, jobs, etc etc and let them apply to the entire farm from one central console across 5 datacenters) Systems Performance Monitoring ( Instead of me having 6-10 Perfmon mmcs open looking at systems, I set the performance monitor baselines I want to see on the servers and when they go outside the parameters, I am alerted via central console) Eventlog Management and Reporting. ( Need to be able to parse the eventlogs and achive and store them for compliance and security efforts across the farm) Compliance measuring would be a added benefit. HTH Z Edward Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + [email protected] Phone:401-639-3505 _____ From: Brian Desmond [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Using System Center for Management of about 700 Windows File Servers Your thoughts? Well the question Id ask you is what problem(s) are you trying to solve with this product? Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 Active Directory, 4th Ed - <http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/> http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/ Microsoft MVP - <https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Using System Center for Management of about 700 Windows File Servers Your thoughts? Importance: High We are having Microsoft coming in to talk with us about Systems Center for Management of our ever-growing server farm, for those using it, please feel free to give me your pros cons and tales from the trenches on what this platform said it will do, and what it really does when the rubber hits the road. My Mix of servers are ½ physical ½ virtual, SQL (2000/2005), IIS (5&6), File and Print (2000-2008), DCs (2003), Application servers ( 3rd party) (2000/2003) TVK, I especially want to hear your thoughts on this subject, since this is your MVP realm and you tend to know the most about the features and functionality. TIA in advance, Z Edward Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + [email protected] Phone:401-639-3505 _____ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
