Wow. My family is from Minot. Was there 2 years ago to bury my gramma. My 99 yr old great aunt still lives there.
-sc > -----Original Message----- > From: N Parr [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:17 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > Hmmm, going up to visit friends in Minot. Maybe I'll just stay and > enjoy the, um, well.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:22 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant > > North Dakota - unemployment rate is about 4%, and the State government > is running a surplus, according to NPR/Marketplace radio piece I heard > last night. > > Several thousand job openings, too. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:12, Richard > Stovall<[email protected]> wrote: > > Canada? (If you're a Northern Hemisphere kinda person.) > > > > ----------------- > > From: Cameron Cooper [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:29:22 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > > > > > So for someone who is looking to move up in the IT field, what do > > people recommend? > > > > > > > > _____________________________ > > > > Cameron Cooper > > > > IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified > > > > Aurico Reports, Inc > > > > Phone: 847-890-4021 Fax: 847-255-1896 > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:26 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant > > > > > > > > Remember that when you look at averages for the US on a whole, you > > have to take into account the higher salaries available in the metro > areas. > > > > I find that most of the salaries in the more comprehensive surveys > are > > low to average for the NYC metro area. It all depends on the sample > > demographics. > > > > -ASB > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Maglinger, Paul > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > How about those salary surveys in the trade rags? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:39 AM > > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant > > > > > > > > Yup, what Vicky said. I've read too many stories like yours Scott, > so > > when I hear those radio ads, I KNOW it's not true and it just ticks > me > > off actually that they are even doing it. But, like they are saying > > in their ad, stimulus money is available....and I don't want this to > > denigrate into a political discussion but it just makes me angry when > > an unscrupulous company is capitalizing on a government handout and > > preying on clueless people and they won't be able to make good on > > their promises of a great paying career in IT. > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Vicky Spelshaus > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ouch! just ouch. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Scott Williamson > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > At least everybody here has a job. I lost my job in March.. > The > > recession hurt our online sales (50% drop in sales). The owner, who > > had no clue when it came to SEO/SEM, decided to make all these > changes > > to get it in top of the search engines. He ignored the employees, > > including our marketing person. We said this would hurt us even more. > > Boom!... an 80% drop in sales. From over $40,000 a day in online sale > > to just over $8,000 in six months. The owner kept assuring us that > the > > company has been through this before and we will weather is out. The > > company has over $2 millions in reserves (found out this was not > true). > > > > The owner quietly sold the business under us. We came to work > > and it was closed. Your paychecks will be sent in the mail. It never > > came. Company filed for bankruptcy the same day it closed. I went > from > > 115K a year as the IT Director to $450 a week on unemployment. If > > figured with 15 years IT experience, a Masters in Information > Systems, > > a PMP, A+, Network+, MCP, and advanced ColdFusion certified, I could > > find a job. > > > > Nope... Over 200 positions I have applied or sent my resume to > > and I got only one interview for an System Administrator making > $55,000. > > The only way I got the interview was because I has to dumb down my > > resume. Did not get the job. They found someone with more experience > > and the HR person said that over 300 people applied for the > position.. > > Three years ago, they could barely get 5 to apply. Recruiters are > no help. > > > > I do have family in the Dallas area, and got a couple hits > from > > companies in Dalles. But the both stated that because I am out of > > town, they feel I will leave when things pick up. Not true. I am > > looking to get out of California! > > > > So.. it is now August. My savings is dried up and my wife > makes > > $40,000 a year as a dental assistant.. Not enough in Southern > > California. Mortgage company will not do a forbearance so we have to > > move out of our house and live with my brother. But the rent wont > > cover the mortgage and we have already accepted the fact that we will > > lose our house. I have spent $3,000 on two attorneys to help us with > > the mortgage company.. no help. > > > > I get a kick reading that IT jobs are the hot jobs and they > are > > hard to fill. Not enough skilled workers. I have not experienced > that. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: "Ziots, Edward" <[email protected]> > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:34:23 AM > > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > > > I agree, right now, a lot if not most companies are "bleeding > a > > nickel" when it comes to getting maximum productivity out of workers, > > on top of reducing costs any and every way they can. I don't see this > > trend ending for a few years to come. > > > > > > > > Like its been said before for those that get raises ( Ours > have > > been frozen too, and possibly for longer for just this year) along > > with the raise in paying more for your benefits, less in the 401K, > > 403B, and no training budget) be happy you have a job and a roof over > > your head, it could be a lot worse, and quiet quickly.. > > > > > > > > I agree use the opportunity to stand out, put in the time, > (and > > we all know it isn't a 40 hr work week, you are lucky if you get away > > with 60-70 hrs a week now a days) learn all you can learn with new > > technologies, and bide your time. > > > > > > > > Z > > > > > > > > Edward Ziots > > > > Network Engineer > > > > Lifespan Organization > > > > MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + > > > > [email protected] > > > > Phone:401-639-3505 > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: James Kerr [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:17 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant > > > > > > > > Guess I shouldn't complain about our 1% raise company wide. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Sam Cayze <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:49 PM > > > > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > > > > > > > Well put, nice words Andy. (And others). > > > > > > > > They might be lowballing to find someone serious about > > the position, not the paycheck. If you bite, they may make it worth > > your while if you are committed. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Andy Shook [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:27 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant > > > > Chris, > > > > It's tough out there no doubt and I feel your pain, > > many of us that are employed are right there with you. Salary cuts, > > benefit cost increases, insurance coverage decreases, 401(k)s turning > > into 101(k)s, furloughs, FREAKIN' COMISSION PLAN RESTRUCTURES (I fell > > better). The cut sucks, I understand, but you're standing there with > > an FULL TIME OFFER LETTER. To many IT guys that are stupid smart are > > now bagging groceries... > > > > > > > > I encourage everyone in this situation to look long > > term; the here and now is not fun but it is temporary. "This too, > > shall pass", wrote the psalmist. I would use the opportunity you > have > > been given to rise above the morale, fear\doom & gloom and stand out; > i.e. > > all of you be the rock star in your current position(s). It's a > > killer opportunity, as the fat has been trimmed and orgs are now > > focusing on everything & everyone with laser precision. > > > > > > > > Be the best... [1] > > > > > > > > Shook > > > > [1] This could be perceived as an unintentional Karate > > Kid reference (tournament music....You're the best, around. No one's > > ever gunna beat you down) but that was not the intent. J > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Bodnar > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I know I'm not going to get a any sympathy here, due > to > > the unemployment rate, and the economy in general, but needed to vent > > a little. Was hired as a contract to hire position last year. Great > > company, close to home, good salary. 6 months in they cut my salary > by > > 10% to the contracting company, which was then passed on to me. I was > > told at the time, that if/when I was offered full time employment, I > > would be brought on with the initial salary I had started at. Just go > > the official offer, and it's 5% below that. I know I should be > > thankful I even have a job, which I am. But I still feel like they > are > > low-balling me just because of the economy. If the economy would be > > better and more IT jobs out there, I'd tell them to take a hike and > > see what happens. Can't afford to do that right now with a mortgage > > and 2 kids. For once I just wish someone would offer me what was > promised. > > Sorry, not looking to offend anyone out there. 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