-----Original Message-----
From: N Parr [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant
Hmmm, going up to visit friends in Minot. Maybe I'll just stay and
enjoy the, um, well....
-----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant
North Dakota - unemployment rate is about 4%, and the State government
is running a surplus, according to NPR/Marketplace radio piece I heard
last night.
Several thousand job openings, too.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:12, Richard
Stovall<[email protected]> wrote:
Canada? (If you're a Northern Hemisphere kinda person.)
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From: Cameron Cooper [email protected]
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:29:22 -0500
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant
So for someone who is looking to move up in the IT field, what do
people recommend?
_____________________________
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021 Fax: 847-255-1896
[email protected]
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant
Remember that when you look at averages for the US on a whole, you
have to take into account the higher salaries available in the metro
areas.
I find that most of the salaries in the more comprehensive surveys
are
low to average for the NYC metro area. It all depends on the sample
demographics.
-ASB
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Maglinger, Paul
<[email protected]>
wrote:
How about those salary surveys in the trade rags?
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From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant
Yup, what Vicky said. I've read too many stories like yours Scott,
so
when I hear those radio ads, I KNOW it's not true and it just ticks
me
off actually that they are even doing it. But, like they are saying
in their ad, stimulus money is available....and I don't want this to
denigrate into a political discussion but it just makes me angry when
an unscrupulous company is capitalizing on a government handout and
preying on clueless people and they won't be able to make good on
their promises of a great paying career in IT.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Vicky Spelshaus
<[email protected]> wrote:
Ouch! just ouch.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Scott Williamson
<[email protected]> wrote:
At least everybody here has a job. I lost my job in March..
The
recession hurt our online sales (50% drop in sales). The owner, who
had no clue when it came to SEO/SEM, decided to make all these
changes
to get it in top of the search engines. He ignored the employees,
including our marketing person. We said this would hurt us even more.
Boom!... an 80% drop in sales. From over $40,000 a day in online sale
to just over $8,000 in six months. The owner kept assuring us that
the
company has been through this before and we will weather is out. The
company has over $2 millions in reserves (found out this was not
true).
The owner quietly sold the business under us. We came to work
and it was closed. Your paychecks will be sent in the mail. It never
came. Company filed for bankruptcy the same day it closed. I went
from
115K a year as the IT Director to $450 a week on unemployment. If
figured with 15 years IT experience, a Masters in Information
Systems,
a PMP, A+, Network+, MCP, and advanced ColdFusion certified, I could
find a job.
Nope... Over 200 positions I have applied or sent my resume to
and I got only one interview for an System Administrator making
$55,000.
The only way I got the interview was because I has to dumb down my
resume. Did not get the job. They found someone with more experience
and the HR person said that over 300 people applied for the
position..
Three years ago, they could barely get 5 to apply. Recruiters are
no help.
I do have family in the Dallas area, and got a couple hits
from
companies in Dalles. But the both stated that because I am out of
town, they feel I will leave when things pick up. Not true. I am
looking to get out of California!
So.. it is now August. My savings is dried up and my wife
makes
$40,000 a year as a dental assistant.. Not enough in Southern
California. Mortgage company will not do a forbearance so we have to
move out of our house and live with my brother. But the rent wont
cover the mortgage and we have already accepted the fact that we will
lose our house. I have spent $3,000 on two attorneys to help us with
the mortgage company.. no help.
I get a kick reading that IT jobs are the hot jobs and they
are
hard to fill. Not enough skilled workers. I have not experienced
that.
________________________________
From: "Ziots, Edward"<[email protected]>
To: NT System Admin Issues
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:34:23 AM
Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant
I agree, right now, a lot if not most companies are "bleeding
a
nickel" when it comes to getting maximum productivity out of workers,
on top of reducing costs any and every way they can. I don't see this
trend ending for a few years to come.
Like its been said before for those that get raises ( Ours
have
been frozen too, and possibly for longer for just this year) along
with the raise in paying more for your benefits, less in the 401K,
403B, and no training budget) be happy you have a job and a roof over
your head, it could be a lot worse, and quiet quickly..
I agree use the opportunity to stand out, put in the time,
(and
we all know it isn't a 40 hr work week, you are lucky if you get away
with 60-70 hrs a week now a days) learn all you can learn with new
technologies, and bide your time.
Z
Edward Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +
[email protected]
Phone:401-639-3505
________________________________
From: James Kerr [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Salary rant
Guess I shouldn't complain about our 1% raise company wide.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Cayze<mailto:[email protected]>
To: NT System Admin Issues
<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant
Well put, nice words Andy. (And others).
They might be lowballing to find someone serious about
the position, not the paycheck. If you bite, they may make it worth
your while if you are committed.
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From: Andy Shook [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: Salary rant
Chris,
It's tough out there no doubt and I feel your pain,
many of us that are employed are right there with you. Salary cuts,
benefit cost increases, insurance coverage decreases, 401(k)s turning
into 101(k)s, furloughs, FREAKIN' COMISSION PLAN RESTRUCTURES (I fell
better). The cut sucks, I understand, but you're standing there with
an FULL TIME OFFER LETTER. To many IT guys that are stupid smart are
now bagging groceries...
I encourage everyone in this situation to look long
term; the here and now is not fun but it is temporary. "This too,
shall pass", wrote the psalmist. I would use the opportunity you
have
been given to rise above the morale, fear\doom& gloom and stand out;
i.e.
all of you be the rock star in your current position(s). It's a
killer opportunity, as the fat has been trimmed and orgs are now
focusing on everything& everyone with laser precision.
Be the best... [1]
Shook
[1] This could be perceived as an unintentional Karate
Kid reference (tournament music....You're the best, around. No one's
ever gunna beat you down) but that was not the intent. J
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Bodnar
<[email protected]> wrote:
I know I'm not going to get a any sympathy here, due
to
the unemployment rate, and the economy in general, but needed to vent
a little. Was hired as a contract to hire position last year. Great
company, close to home, good salary. 6 months in they cut my salary
by
10% to the contracting company, which was then passed on to me. I was
told at the time, that if/when I was offered full time employment, I
would be brought on with the initial salary I had started at. Just go
the official offer, and it's 5% below that. I know I should be
thankful I even have a job, which I am. But I still feel like they
are
low-balling me just because of the economy. If the economy would be
better and more IT jobs out there, I'd tell them to take a hike and
see what happens. Can't afford to do that right now with a mortgage
and 2 kids. For once I just wish someone would offer me what was
promised.
Sorry, not looking to offend anyone out there. Just blowing off some
steam.
Chris
