Or it could conjure up the image that everything is obscured and it's raining on your data... :-)
*********************** Charlie Kaiser [email protected] Kingman, AZ *********************** > -----Original Message----- > From: hg [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:49 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > And what a perfect marketing buzzword. It conjures up a > mental picture that the angels are there to help and > magically make it all better... > > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:35 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > Seems the 'cloud' is the new buzzword for how we're going to > increase profits next quarter. The cloud will save us! The > cloud will reduce our expensive fixed costs! Has Dilbert > done something on the cloud yet? If > > not, it's just a matter of time. > > > > From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:00 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > True, but I'll use OpenDNS way before using Google or MS DNS servers. > > > > The cloud the cloud.everything is cloud around my office with > exec's ."SharePoint's broke and we have no expertise > here.move it to the cloud! Exchange, Live Communications > Server, ship -'em all out!" > > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:26 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > Not everyone wants to depend on DNS services 'in the cloud' > even if they're free... > > > > From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:20 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > Doesn't going through OpenDNS achieve pretty much the same thing? > > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 > > > > From: Tim Evans [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:59 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > FWIW, I load the entire domain list from > http://www.malwaredomains.com/ into my AD integrated DNS > without any problems. over 18000 domains are currently > included. I've got a 2003 native domain/forest too. DC's > include WS08R2, WS08, & WS03 SP2. I have not seen anything > like this here. > > > > ...Tim > > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:53 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > It appears that background zone loading is a feature of 2008 > and later... maybe I just need to hurry up the upgrade to 2008. > > > > Carl > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:44 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > Oh! Yes, now that you say that.. > > > > I bet what's happening is that it's timing out. > > > > There is a flag (and I'm sorry that I don't remember the > details) that says "do the initial zone load in the > background". You probably need to set that. That should be > enough to biggle with. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael B. Smith > > Consultant and Exchange MVP > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:40 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > "Debug logging" will log DNS packets to a text file. I guess > the last DNS packet received before the shutdown could tell > me something if it was shutting down randomly at any time. > But the fact that the service stays running forever after > restarting suggests that bad DNS packets on the wire aren't > likely causing this. So if bad DNS traffic is the problem, > the only explanation would be a DNS query from the DC to > itself. DC DOS's its own DNS server service? > > > > One thing I may have that is less common is a lot of DNS > authoritative zones for well known bad (malware hosting) > domain names. There's over 1000 of 'em. > > > > I have to say I'm not up for an extended debugging journey on > this one, just wondering if this behavior triggered any > memories for anyone. > > > > Carl > > > > From: Brian Desmond [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:53 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > It should be able to kick out more info to a text file. > > > > The scenario you mention of branch DCs not having > connectivity is completely normal. > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Desmond > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > c - 312.731.3132 > > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:46 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > Good idea, but the DNS Server's event logging option has been > on "all events" all this time. That must be the default, I > don't recall ever changing it. > > > > Carl > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:39 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > This would seem to indicate to me that while the DNS Server > service was initiated, it never actually finished initializing. > > > > Aren't there some logging options on the DNS server property > tab? I'd probably ratchet those up to max for a while and see > if they helped gather more info. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael B. Smith > > Consultant and Exchange MVP > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:22 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > Curious thing, started a few months ago after I moved the > FSMO roles from this DC to another one. This DC frequently > boots "in a vacuum" - no other DC's can be contacted, so it > takes a long time sniffing around before it finally starts > Active Directory and its own DNS Server service. A few > minutes after that, the DNS Server service shuts down. > There's nothing in the System or Application event log to > explain it, and the DNS Server event log records simply that > " The DNS server has shutdown." (event ID 3). > > > > The recovery options are set to restart the service, but that > doesn't happen because the service appears to have been shut > down on purpose. But no human (for sure) and 99.9% sure no > software is issuing the command. > > > > Another interesting thing from the event logs, under System, > when I start the service there's an event 7036 logged "The > DNS Server has entered the running state". But I see NO > event 7036 for DNS at the time of booting. Obviously, it > must be started, else the DNS event log wouldn't record that > it had shut down! And I see no 7036 events for it stopping either. > > > > When this happens, I can manually start the DNS Server > service and all is well until the next boot, which may or may > not have the problem. I think it's happening about 50% of the time. > > > > I've scripted a solution to recover from the problem, but I'm > just curious if anyone has noticed something similar. I'm > guessing the instances of branch offices booting their DC > without network connectivity back to the FSMO holder at HQ is > fairly rare, but not unheard of. > > > > And this is Windows 2003 SP2, native 2003 domain/forest. > Almost left that off, yikes! > > > > TIA, > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Content & Policy Scan by M+ Guardian ---- Millions of > safe & clean messages delivered daily > > > > > > > ---AV & Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM)--- > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
