I wasn't involved in the testing but VMware kept saying that their 'network performance enhancements' were coming out in the next version and Citrix came out with a solution that actually worked for our needs without completely killing our network. So we too are dropping vue at this point.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:01 AM, James Rankin <[email protected]> wrote: > We tried RDP and PCoIP - not really much to choose between either. > Performance from a normal PC with the View Client wasn't bad, but we don't > have any fat client users. We've got a mixture of Chip PCs and Extreme PCs > (running CE), and some Linux-based thins as well, all managed thru Xcalibur. > The PoE units were the worst, but the others weren't much better. It may > have worked better with different thin clients, but as the ones we have seem > to do just fine using ICA connections, there was never going to be any > justification for upgrading just to accomodate View. View was only ever > intended for our "power users" who seemed to demand more performance from > their thins, but as the View solution just threw up more problems than it > solved, we just accelerated the migration to XenApp 6 instead. > > > On 31 August 2010 16:52, Kelsey, John <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I’m with you on the Win7 support. Its not quite ‘there’ for 32bit >> either IMO. We haven’t seen any network issues so far and most of our users >> are coming over IPSec VPN tunnels. Were you running PCoIP or just regular >> RDP? We also have all roaming profiles, but we’ve tied the majority of our >> users so far to dedicated machines so they don’t really roam. We haven’t >> done any real thin clients yet, just loaded up XP Fundamentals on some older >> machines and installed the View client. What type of thin clients did you >> try? >> >> >> >> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:46 AM >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: terminal services/citrix/xen desktop etc for bean >> counters. >> >> >> >> The lack of support for Windows 7 x64 was a major pain from the start. >> Templates not joining to the network properly when being provisioned, >> absolutely dire performance of high-end applications despite having 4GB of >> RAM on XP desktops, PoE thin clients freezing when scrolling, lots of >> network blips that we didn't ever see when using ICA - there were just way >> too many issues. Users were begging us to send them back to the Citrix >> published desktops. To some extent, I think some of the thin clients we have >> been sold have contributed to the problem, but it was the same company >> providing those that sold us View anyway. We also used mandatory profiles >> with AppSense on our Citrix desktops, and now use Citrix Profile Manager for >> our new Xen ones, whereas we were using standard Windows roaming profiles on >> View, which probably contributed to the absymal performance. And as from a >> management point of view - we only have two support staff, and when we gave >> View to eight users, they spent an entire week running through problems with >> these eight people. Once we sent everyone back to XenApp, our two support >> guys can quite easily cope with the needs of nearly 500 users. >> >> On 31 August 2010 16:39, Kelsey, John <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Can you elaborate on the other reasons for dropping View? We’re going the >> opposite way here, scrapping Citrix in favor of View. So far so good. We >> have about 120+ View desktops rolled out. We also had to overcome the multi >> monitor issue, but once we got that figured out its been moving right along. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:34 AM >> >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> >> *Subject:* Re: terminal services/citrix/xen desktop etc for bean >> counters. >> >> >> >> We run Citrix XenApp and use about 300 multiple monitor setups with >> SplitView 2010. VMWare View was a real PITA to get them working in - we >> eventually managed it, but for many other reasons we dropped View like a bad >> habit. >> >> SplitView fits our needs rather nicely, but it's a bit buggy on 2008 R2. >> Sometimes Acrobat Reader and IE windows will crash when SplitView is >> running, and you have to add an exception. It seems a lot more stable in >> XenApp 5. I can't speak to XenDesktop - I haven't been allowed to deploy it >> yet. But I'm willing to bet big money it handles multiple monitors better >> than VMWare View, and probably everything else as well. >> >> On 31 August 2010 15:54, Bill Humphries <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> So, does anyone have any experience with multiple monitors with any of >> these technologies? Is it horrible? >> >> >> Michael B. Smith wrote: >> >> [footer elided] >> >> On the Microsoft side of the fence, you would do this with App-V or MED-V; >> included if you have Software Assurance I believe. >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael B. Smith >> Consultant and Exchange MVP >> http://TheEssentialExchange.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Webster [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 30, >> 2010 5:43 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> Subject: RE: terminal services/citrix/xen desktop etc for bean counters. >> >> This sounds like a job for either VM Hosted Apps or XenDesktop. Looks >> like you would need Private Image mode, but that is always open to debate. >> >> <gag> >> >> View? What is View? >> >> </gag> >> >> >> Carl Webster >> Citrix Technology Professional >> http://dabcc.com/Webster >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: Bill Humphries [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Subject: terminal services/citrix/xen desktop etc for bean counters. >> >> Anyone here had any success with using these technologies in an >> accounting/CPA environment? I have a 25 person CPA client that is >> interested in doing something to support working remotely for a few >> employees and also opening a 3 or 4 person branch office in the near >> >> >> future. >> >> >> Lacerte and Quickbooks over a VPN just don't cut it. Some items that make >> the project difficult... >> >> 1) They went paperless a couple of years ago and dual monitors for >> everyone is important for workflow. So, we need good support of dual >> monitors. >> 2) User rights. Everyone right now is local admin on machines. You can >> >> >> thank >> >> >> intuit for making it near impossible to avoid. >> 3) Quickbooks (see intuit issue above) claims terminal services is not >> supported in anything but their enterprise version. They are a CPA firm >> >> >> and >> >> >> install multiple versions of quickbooks on workstations. Not sure if >> >> >> using a >> >> >> VM, rather than TS gets around this. >> 4) Software/Printer installs. Almost every intuit and CCH product they >> >> >> use >> >> >> comes with it's own PDF printer that must be installed. This already >> >> >> causes >> >> >> the occasional printer driver problem on physical machines. >> >> Anyone have any advice for what solutions would be right out or deserve >> consideration? I just found out about Xen Desktop Express for 10 or fewer >> users. That has piqued my interest. 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