No one here has suggested panacea, but consider how effective it would be in
a white-listing environment to add most apps to the list in the event of a
zero-day to an EXISTING app.  You wouldn't have to do anything for an app
that wasn't already allowed in your environment.

It is akin to the change in firewall rule-set made in ages gone by from
Allowed-by-Default to Denied-by-Default.

Likewise, look at all the environments that have moved towards some form of
locked down user desktop and see how much of a benefit has resulted.

Reducing problems by 50-80% off the bat, with little overhead, is always
desirable.


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On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Crawford, Scott <[email protected]>wrote:

>  My point is that neither signatures, nor white-listing are a panacea. The
> fact that we’ve been sig based for so long while malware continues to be
> effective leads many to think that white-listing would solve all our woes.
> I’m simply saying that many **current** vulnerabilities circumvent a
> white-list so it can’t be a panacea…unless of course you white-list each
> individual data file.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:55 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer'
>
>
>
> Just as network anomaly detection devices don't eliminate the use of
> signatures, whitelisting solutions can still make use of several mechanisms
> for avoiding bad stuff.
>
>
>
> It is the complete RELIANCE on signatures that is troublesome.
>
>
>
> Oh, and btw, I try to avoid Adobe Acrobat altogether.  There are plenty of
> viable alternatives at the moment...
>
>
>
> *ASB *(My Bio via About.Me <http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio>)
> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Crawford, Scott <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Unless you’re going to white-list every doc/jpg/pdf/mp3 you’re going to
> open, that’s not a panacea either.  Documents = 1’s and 0’s = code. The only
> difference is what layer its executed at.  Assume you white-list
> AdobeReader.exe. The next time a flaw is found that is exploited through a
> malformed PDF, it will march right through your white-list.
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:38 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
>  *Subject:* RE: Intel developing security 'game-changer'
>
>
>
> I’m still of the opinion that the only real solution is white-listing.
>
>
>
> But that raises its own set of issues.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:35 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer'
>
>
>
> Since a whole lot of allegedly legitimate software acts just like malware,
> they'd have their work cut out for them.
>
>
>
> Try installing a host-based IPS on your system in monitoring mode, and look
> at what it would block -- and why.
>
>
>
> There are certain classes of zero-day that can be blocked by software or
> hardware.  There are others that cannot be, simply because of what passes
> for functionality these days.
>
>
>
> Oh, and I agree with Ben and Jonathan...
>
>
>
> *ASB *(My Bio via About.Me <http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio>)
> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Sean Martin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Most important statement....
>
>
>
> "*If Intel has hardware technology that can reliably stop zero-day
> attacks, that would be a huge win in the war against malware," Olds said.
> **"The key is that it's reliable. It has to have the ability to discern
> legit software from malware**. But if they can pull this off, it would
> give them quite a competitive advantage **vs. 
> AMD*<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9204580/AMD_could_better_fight_Intel_with_new_CEO_>
> *."*
>
>
>
> - Sean
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:37 AM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> What say you, Alex, et all.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9206366/Intel_developing_security_game_changer_?taxonomyId=85
>
>
>
> Hype?
>
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