I'll add my thoughts to this thread. It has been discussed for quite some time to bring Lucene to a top-level Apache project. I plan on assisting with this effort starting in December. Bringing all the ports of Lucene together will allow us to put together a comprehensive test suite to show the compatibility between all the various ports (provided they agree to ASL their ports). We can also upgrade to JIRA as an issue tracking system. Lucene uses Bugzilla, which has been showing its age for far too long.

By creating a search.apache.org umbrella, Nutch would fit in beautifully.

In other words, I'm far more than +1 on this proposal - I'm going to roll up my sleeves and start making it happen soon!

        Erik


On Nov 11, 2004, at 9:03 AM, Doug Cutting wrote:

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My belief is that we should disband the Nutch non-profit organization
and assign the copyright for Nutch software to the Apache Foundation,
switching Nutch's license to Apache version 2.0.  Are there any
developers who object to this?
Does this mean make nutch a apache project?

That would be a secondary step. Longer term I would like to create a top-level "Search" project at Apache that would host Nutch, Lucene (which is now a subproject of Apache Jakarta), Lucene.Net, CLucene, and other search related projects. This will take a while.


Apache license is a good one and people know it. This provide a level of trust that can be useful for the project. Move nutch to apache will solve a set of technical issues we have with sourceforge and will help to promote nutch as well.
However apache is already a very BIG Organisation and I personal like small units and organisations.

The problem is that even a small non-profit organization (like Nutch) has a fair amount of overhead. Currently, in order to maintain our non-profit status, we need to, in the next few months: (1) file documents with the US tax authorities (requires an attorney); (2) renew our P.O. Box subscription; (3) plan and hold a board meeting; (4) publish minutes from the board meeting; and so on. I find myself too busy to complete these tasks.


Lucene has had a very good experience with Apache. Apache provides Lucene with: all of the legal services described above; high-quality hosting; a brand name and license that attract developers; good developer guidelines and rules; conferences; etc. There have been no costs to joining Apache, only benefits.

I think as far nutch ist open source people will manipulate (in the user context may improve) ranking. From my point of view to reach the goal of a 'free search' it is not a question of the license but a question of how many good alternative search engines you have. So to get nutch stabile, easy to use and install it in very large environments is from my point of view more important then have LGPL or Apache.
At least i think it would be important that people will be able to run commercial services with nutch since this will help to get more developers involved.

I agree.

Doug


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