I can certainly agreee with not allowing other voip providers to traverse your network at no charge, especially if your company provides voice services. To a lesser extent I can agree with restricting anything you wish as long as you put it in your Terms of Service ahead of time. However, I don't think the latter strategy will survive in a free market. If this fellow actually said he wants to charge for every web page view that travels SBC's network then I think he is being irrational and will not succeed at it. Jim
> -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 'Dustin Goodwin'; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read > this from the SBC chief > > > We should be clear about this. > > What Mr. Witacre is intending is not just to charge you and > me (which > he already does), but to charge each and every single company that > provides us a web page. > > Frankly, I think he's smoking something. In addition to being > impossible to manage such a scheme from a contract and payment point > of view, the only way to maintain it is to collude with the other > backbone providers. > > This is not to say he won't try, nor that we aren't moving > dangerously close to monopoly power with broadband--both cable/dsl > and backbone (we have been racing towards this for some time now). > > What Dustin is suggesting is to head this off at the pass. > Instead of > just ignoring this lunatic (Mr. Witacre), we should use this as a > rallying cry to ensure that the foundations of the > Internet--and this > _is_ about SBC trying to change the fundamental operations of the > Internet--remain uncorrupted by corporate greed and monopolistic > practices. > > Dana Spiegel > Executive Director > NYCwireless > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.NYCwireless.net > +1 917 402 0422 > > Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info > > > On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:02 PM, Jim Henry wrote: > > > Well, me too, but I'm willing to pay for something better than AOL. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >> Dustin Goodwin > >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:40 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Cc: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read > this from > >> the SBC chief > >> > >> > >> Just go ahead and turn the Internet off if you can only > connect me to > >> the AOLized version of it. > >> > >> - Dustin - > >> > >> Jim Henry wrote: > >> > >>> You can't argue with that. They invest hundreds of millions > >> of dollars > >>> in transport and need to get their ROI. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >>>> Dustin Goodwin > >>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:40 PM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read > this from the > >>>> SBC chief > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Please never tell me again there is no need for an > alternative to > >>>> the Cable/Bell broadband duopoloy. / > >>>> > >>>> "If there were any delusions that Ma Bell Wasn't Back > >>>> <http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/27/1635247&tid= > >> 215>, SBC > >>>> CEO Edward Witacre has cleared that up in an interview > >>>> <http://www.businessweek.com/@@n34h*IUQu7KtOwgA/magazine/conte > >>>> nt/05_45/b3958092.htm> > >>>> with Business Week Online. When asked about Google, Vonage > >> and other > >>>> Internet Upstarts he responded in typical Ma Bell Style: > >> 'How do you > >>>> think they're going to get to customers? Through a > broadband pipe. > >>>> Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like > >>>> to do is use > >>>> my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that > >> because we have > >>>> spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. > So there's > >>>> going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these > >>>> pipes to pay > >>>> for the portion they're using. Why should they be > allowed to use my > >>>> pipes?'." > >>>> > >>>> - Dustin - > >>>> > >>>> / > >>>> -- > >>>> NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > >>>> Un/Subscribe: > >>>> http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > >>>> Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release > >>>> Date: 10/31/2005 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > >> Un/Subscribe: > >> http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > >> Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release > >> Date: 10/31/2005 > >> > >> > > > > -- > > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/ > > nycwireless/ > > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/155 - Release > Date: 11/1/2005 > > -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
