Jim,
What makes VoIP so special?
Certainly, if SBC provides VoIP, they should make an attractive
package for their customers. But in the end, their subscribers are
just buying bandwidth in bulk month over month. What gives SBC the
right to treat one IP based service in particular as special? Its all
just IP packets. And what gives SBC the right to inspect these
packets at their discretion?
This would be like your bank or credit card company inquiring about
what you are purchasing with your money, and furthermore telling you
that you can't purchase other financial services with your money
because they already provide them.
What if you want to use a VoIP provider that emails you your
voicemails, while SBC makes you dial in via your home phone only to
get them? Shouldn't you have the right to choose what service you
want to use?
Dana Spiegel
Executive Director
NYCwireless
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On Nov 1, 2005, at 10:18 PM, Jim Henry wrote:
I can certainly agreee with not allowing other voip providers to
traverse
your network at no charge, especially if your company provides voice
services. To a lesser extent I can agree with restricting anything
you wish
as long as you put it in your Terms of Service ahead of time.
However, I
don't think the latter strategy will survive in a free market. If this
fellow actually said he wants to charge for every web page view
that travels
SBC's network then I think he is being irrational and will not
succeed at
it.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Dustin Goodwin'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read
this from the SBC chief
We should be clear about this.
What Mr. Witacre is intending is not just to charge you and
me (which
he already does), but to charge each and every single company that
provides us a web page.
Frankly, I think he's smoking something. In addition to being
impossible to manage such a scheme from a contract and payment point
of view, the only way to maintain it is to collude with the other
backbone providers.
This is not to say he won't try, nor that we aren't moving
dangerously close to monopoly power with broadband--both cable/dsl
and backbone (we have been racing towards this for some time now).
What Dustin is suggesting is to head this off at the pass.
Instead of
just ignoring this lunatic (Mr. Witacre), we should use this as a
rallying cry to ensure that the foundations of the
Internet--and this
_is_ about SBC trying to change the fundamental operations of the
Internet--remain uncorrupted by corporate greed and monopolistic
practices.
Dana Spiegel
Executive Director
NYCwireless
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.NYCwireless.net
+1 917 402 0422
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On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:02 PM, Jim Henry wrote:
Well, me too, but I'm willing to pay for something better than AOL.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dustin Goodwin
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read
this from
the SBC chief
Just go ahead and turn the Internet off if you can only
connect me to
the AOLized version of it.
- Dustin -
Jim Henry wrote:
You can't argue with that. They invest hundreds of millions
of dollars
in transport and need to get their ROI.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dustin Goodwin
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [nycwireless] Not sure about muni-Wifi? Read
this from the
SBC chief
Please never tell me again there is no need for an
alternative to
the Cable/Bell broadband duopoloy. /
"If there were any delusions that Ma Bell Wasn't Back
<http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/27/1635247&tid=
215>, SBC
CEO Edward Witacre has cleared that up in an interview
<http://www.businessweek.com/@@n34h*IUQu7KtOwgA/magazine/conte
nt/05_45/b3958092.htm>
with Business Week Online. When asked about Google, Vonage
and other
Internet Upstarts he responded in typical Ma Bell Style:
'How do you
think they're going to get to customers? Through a
broadband pipe.
Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like
to do is use
my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that
because we have
spent this capital and we have to have a return on it.
So there's
going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these
pipes to pay
for the portion they're using. Why should they be
allowed to use my
pipes?'."
- Dustin -
/
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