Thanks I did not realize rules are so loose Definitely improvements needed 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 10:03 AM, Richard Guthrie <richardpguth...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The DEC waterfowl regulations are rather specific when it comes to the named 
> species - Mallard, Scaup sp., Eider, sp., Canvasbacks, etc. But when it comes 
> to any not so specified, it's all in: "  For all other duck species found in 
> New York, the daily limit is 6.". So while a hunter may take  4 long-tailed 
> ducks, or 2 hooded mergansers, for example, that hunter may take up to 6 
> Fulvous Whistling-Ducks, Garganeys, Eurasian Wigeon, Smews, or any 
> combination of those &tc. And, yes.  A lot of hunters would like one or more 
> of those rarities for their trophy wall. 
> 
> Rules need to be amended.
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eileen Schwinn <beach...@optonline.net> 
>> wrote:
>> I’ve been holding off because I haven’t seen any geeses!!!!  Ditto the King 
>> Eider - I did report yesterday - hunters were in the area.  The King left 
>> the sandbar when a small boat approached.
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Gerald Smith <gosh...@gisco.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> My question is are any of these species legal to take in NY?  I suspect 
>>> the geese may not be while the ducks probably are. I applaud keeping 
>>> information out of e-bird but also letting environmental conservation 
>>> officers know that some bad apples may be skirting the rules. While one 
>>> wishes to avoid all out war a few skirmishes might be in order. Interesting 
>>> problem you have down there as I suspect most of the northern NY 
>>> sportsperson community would be oblivious of e bird Good Luck 
>>> 
>>> Birds rise above it all
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Patricia Lindsay <gelocheli...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> With the hunting season now upon us, and the Waterfowl Count starting on 
>>>> Saturday, we would like to make a serious plea that birders and 
>>>> photographers not post reports of rare geese from Riverhead and the East 
>>>> End of Long Island on eBird, Facebook, this listserv, or any other social 
>>>> media platform until the end of the season.
>>>> 
>>>> It has become very clear here on LI that hunters have caught on to eBird, 
>>>> the listservs, and social media, and are targeting the rare geese (and 
>>>> ducks also) using information obtained from birders. One of the only 
>>>> Pink-footed Geese in the Riverhead area last winter was shot this way, and 
>>>> we personally know of other cases involving Ross's and Barnacle Geese (and 
>>>> King Eiders, etc.). A Greylag Goose, very likely of wild origins and if 
>>>> so, extremely rare, was also shot in this area a few years ago. 
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is most acute in the Riverhead area and on the South Fork, 
>>>> from November to the end of hunting season (9 Feb for Canada Goose, 6 Mar 
>>>> for Snow Goose). We understand that the birding community does not want 
>>>> war with the hunters, but the situation here is very sensitive--everybody 
>>>> knows the very limited number of specific fields used by the geese, and it 
>>>> seems a shame that the rarer species are being exposed to this level of 
>>>> danger. 
>>>> 
>>>> We would suggest Cackling, Ross's, Barnacle, Pink-footed, and Greater 
>>>> White-fronted Geese, and of course any mega rare species, seen in these 
>>>> areas not be reported until hunting season ends or at least until the 
>>>> geese seem to have moved on. 
>>>> 
>>>> Cackling and Greater White-fronted Goose may be taken legally as part of 
>>>> the Canada Goose bag limits. Snow and Ross's Geese may be taken as part of 
>>>> the Snow Goose bag limits. The others are not listed as game species on 
>>>> the DEC website so apparently were taken illegally. 
>>>> 
>>>> By making this one small sacrifice, we might just be able to save a few 
>>>> birds and get to enjoy them longer.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Shai Mitra and Pat Lindsay
>>>> Bay Shore
>>>> 
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