Hi David, I really think that this has gone far enough now.
I understand that you are passionate about your venture, but you must also understand that as developers we are constantly bombarded by "entrepreneurs" who are passionate about their venture. Your venture is risky, all start ups are. We are real people with real lives. Some of us have children to feed and mortgages to pay. We can not risk our futures on promises of success and you should not be offended by this. This is an informal environment so some of the feedback has been a bit blunt but many have raised completely valid questions. If it was truly your intention to enlist the support of developers you would have been better to address these questions intelligently instead of getting defensive. As I have previously said, you have made your request for developers and you have had responses. This mailing list is a practical tool for the NZ PHP community and for this thread to continue it only clutters the list. I must respectfully request that you let this thread go. If you have specific PHP issues that you need help with, we'll be more than happy to oblige. We all wish you all the best with your venture. Kind regards, Keri Henare --------------------------------------------------- [e] [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) [t] @kerihenare [w] kerihenare.com (http://kerihenare.com) [m] (+64) 021 874 552 On Tuesday, 23 April 2013 at 9:25 AM, David wrote: > To all the php people streaming into this post: > > I apologise to anyone who took offense in the first initial post about > listing just the requirements. I just wanted to be concise and my enthusiasm > quickly typed and loaded up the post. Never had I envisioned the range of > responses afterwards. > > As I’ve been told, a lot of developers took offense in the first post and > have been having a go at me. I am new to this type of community, and I have > received some kind emails to me saying that they never imagined they would > try to rip me apart like this, and whoever introduced me to this group should > have warned me, and it was good to fend off some of these malicious attacks. > I’ve also been told that from past experiences that these developers had were > that they didn’t get paid or got scammed. I’m not here to do that kind of > stuff. We all graduated from various universities or training facilities and > had life experiences to decipher and decide if the startup is worth while or > not. No one is perfect when it comes to business, and even the bigshot CEOs > of fortune 500 companies had their fair share of the learning curve. > > The responses range from hate, support, mentorship, keen to join venture, etc. > > Our readers have been in the dark about what my startup actually is, and I > would have imagine in the description of the 100m+ profiles would have raise > some kind of curiosity and disbelief. > > When some people started chanting money, money, money, I pray that, it isn’t > the only motivational factor. Otherwise, your $50k-$90k should at least the > pay the bills, keep you fed, and housed, and get you laid. I guess you can > call it a job interview to see what kind of responses you would get and who > not to work with. I guess you can call it a psychological evaluation of > prospective team members/co-founders. > > I saw a lot of the pain factors eg. Small businesses going under after 1 year > and according to statistics NZ that % is around 90%. Also, small businesses > do not have the war chest of big companies in their marketing and advertising > budget. Also, there are a lot of websites that give absolutely no value but > r____ people’s info and habits. There are more in the list, and it can go on > and on. > > There is one in this group that I threw some questions at him to think about > in regards to my startup venture, and I think he was intrigued as to where I > was coming from and where I was going with my concept. We’ve had about a 4 > hour conversation, so I’m assuming that it had some kind of merit. He was > kind enough to point me to some direction of where I can obtain some kind of > resource, and I thank him for that. > > In regards to trolls spewing hate, may I remind them that this is a public > forum, and that perhaps they had some employers in mind that they wanted to > work for in the future. Delete does not mean delete. That should be basic 101 > since the inception of Google etc. Now they saw their personalities and > probably will remember not to work with them should they apply. Yes, I know > it is a 2 way street and a double edge sword by responding back to them, but > forgive me, I had a Steve Jobs moment like in the infamous late night > sparring with a small time reporter. > > Mr Ivan Kurnosov (senior developer @ Wialus & someone who lacks social skills > and etiquette that the only interaction he gets is being a troll on Saturday > night as Charlie Sheen would put it) & Danny boy Weeks @dwat.co.nz. Don’t you > know that I and others can Google your info? > > Re: Nigerian scammer, if I was one Ivan, you’d already be naked in a > compromised position, with your shame recorded on my laptop and with your > finances drained from your bank account into mine and still your shame > uploaded on the media outlets. Talk about Saturday night fun. Yeah, we’d make > a great team you and I and scam people, the spammer & scammer from Russia and > the Nigerian scammer. Just for the record in any country and in any race, > you’ve got your good and bad people with a spectrum of personalities. > > The Social Network Movie: Please see it if you want to be entertained and > learn about startups in a digestible intro. Mark, Dustin, Andrew, Chris, & > Eduardo started thefacebook without getting paid initially, and the only > money available, the $20k from their CFO, Eduardo, went towards the bare > essentials eg. Hardware, etc. You try to go to VC firms and other areas and > demand at an earlier stage to provide funding to pay the team, and they won’t > give you the money. They want to see a lean mean startup to see if you can > you be a good steward with someone else’s investment money etc. Also to > mitigate risk, you can have a 9 to 5 job and view this startup venture as a > side project. If it works, great! If it doesn’t, you can say I still got my > day job to keep me paid and laid. > > I didn’t know what I wanted to do in life until the last 5 years. I like > solving puzzles and using my skills to help others. I believe by establishing > this startup, this is one way I can help contribute to society and the paint > the world the only way I know how. > > I challenge everyone, with the knowledge and skills you possess, how would > you colour the world in your lifetime? > > -- > -- > NZ PHP Users Group: http://groups.google.com/group/nzphpug > To post, send email to [email protected] > (mailto:[email protected]) > To unsubscribe, send email to > [email protected] > (mailto:[email protected]) > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NZ > PHP Users Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > (mailto:[email protected]). > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- -- NZ PHP Users Group: http://groups.google.com/group/nzphpug To post, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NZ PHP Users Group" group. 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