I thought we were not talking about the poll anymore.

The poll was confusing, and didn't capture the discussion well. I am
probably not alone in this, but it took me almost the entire length of the
call to remember the context of the problem since the presentation jumped
right in to a possible solution.

I agree that the problem described by the researchers about authorization
code exfiltration is a problem. I do not think the draft discussed on the
call captures the problem statement well.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 10:09 AM Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:

> A majority of the people in the poll voted there was not a problem.|
>
> Are you a +1 that exfiltration of the authorization code is a problem?
>
> What about that problem was vague in the proposal?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 6:03 PM Aaron Parecki <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I did. I believe there is a problem to solve, and I don't think the
>> current draft articulates the problem well or is even necessarily the right
>> direction for the solution.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 9:57 AM Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The poll was what people voted on.
>>>
>>> The poll was to see if there was agreement that there was a problem to
>>> be solved. It was not that complicated. I had thought from the mail list
>>> that there was consensus on wanting to solve the problem. The poll showed
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> Rather than arguing about the poll -- you can answer the question I am
>>> posing. If the list disagrees with the pole, then we can work on the
>>> problem. If not, then there is no value in working on a problem the WG does
>>> not think is a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 5:49 PM Aaron Parecki <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My understanding of the conversation on the call was that the WG does
>>>> agree there is a problem, but the draft presented did not articulate the
>>>> problem well enough. The wording of the poll did not capture the
>>>> conversation very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 8:59 AM Dick Hardt <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll repeat, the poll was ""Do people agree there is a problem to be
>>>>> solved"
>>>>>
>>>>> and the votes were a majority *no*.
>>>>>
>>>>> None of these agreements came out of the WG call:
>>>>>
>>>>> Members of the WG agree there is a problem/smoking gun
>>>>>> Members of the WG disagree on the breaking change introduce as the
>>>>>> unitarily option to solve it
>>>>>> Members of the WG agree to more deeply formalize the problem so that
>>>>>> additional options to work on could be formalized post adoption
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'm unclear what "the breaking change" is referring to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The proposed solution (which was not voted on) does not break anything
>>>>> existing. It allows incremental deployment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 3:10 PM Aaron Parecki <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will add my American 2 cents to Jeff's summary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 7:03 AM Lombardo, Jeff <jeffsec=
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you, Emelia and Dick [and all who voted], saying the same thing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Do people agree there is a problem to be solved" is not a the same
>>>>>>> of "Do people agree there is a problem to be solved *like that*" as
>>>>>>> Emelia pointed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 2 Canadian cents (roughly 0.1 US cent those days) is that:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Members of the WG agree there is a problem/smoking gun
>>>>>>>    - Members of the WG disagree on the breaking change introduce as
>>>>>>>    the unitarily option to solve it
>>>>>>>    - Members of the WG agree to more deeply formalize the problem
>>>>>>>    so that additional options to work on could be formalized post 
>>>>>>> adoption
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Jean-François “Jeff” Lombardo* | Amazon Web Services
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Principal Standards Specialist, Identity Services
>>>>>>> Montréal, Canada
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Dick Hardt <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* September 28, 2026 8:48 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Sam Goto <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [EXT] [OAUTH-WG] Re: Is authorization code exfiltration
>>>>>>> a problem the WG wants to solve?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Checking in to see if this problem is something the WG wants to work
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 5:19 PM Dick Hardt <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Emilia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The poll text was "Do people agree there is a problem to be solved"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/polls-interim-2026-oauth-05-202609211300/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slide 4 of the presentation was presented during the poll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The poll was not adoption of the draft by the WG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Dick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 5:02 PM Emelia S. <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Dick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My interpretation from yesterday was that we were asked "Do we want
>>>>>>> to adopt this specific solution" and the answer was "no, because it's
>>>>>>> unclear if this actually solves the problem or not based on reading the
>>>>>>> draft text alone"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no clear definition of the problem, therefore there can't be
>>>>>>> a solution, yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> — Emelia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 Sep 2026, at 17:05, Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the September 21 interim [1], the chairs asked if there
>>>>>>> authorization code exfiltration is a problem to be solved. 3 said yes, 5
>>>>>>> said no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The authorization code is a credential that we deliver in the
>>>>>>> redirect URL. From there it can be exfiltrated through history, logs,
>>>>>>> Referer, page JavaScript and extensions. Based on the Browser-Swapping
>>>>>>> thread [2] and the support for Redirect Headers in December [3], I had
>>>>>>> thought there was consensus that this is a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think exfiltration of the authorization code is a problem
>>>>>>> this WG should solve?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Dick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2026-oauth-05/session/oauth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/K8Wnw08GzPstyAQAh0JmSB47pOQ/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/FFkUlOiz7I4K03pqjMfIFkxAwA8/
>>>>>>>
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