I'm not the one that brought the threats to the working group. I was
proposing a solution to what I thought there had been consensus on a
problem which was exfiltration of the authorization code.

It sounds like you don't know if exfiltration of the authorization code is
a problem.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 6:23 PM Lombardo, Jeff <[email protected]> wrote:

> I concur with Aaron. I am  “No opinion” which meant both Yes and No. It is
> only a 3 options choice, there were 4 it would have been “More data needed”.
>
> In a nutshell:
> - Yes from the literature and the threat modelling done so far there is
> actually a problem if 2 high bar conditions are met:
>
>
>    1. I ask a person to click a link that I have started  (the start of
>    an authorization request)
>    2. The person comes back telling me this does not work and provide the
>    callback request URI containing the code to demonstrate their point to me,
>    which I can then use to finalize the flow
>
>
>
> - No, if there no more critical risk this does not seem to be a problem to
> solve more than with guidance in RFC 97000 then.
>
> Therefore the “we need more details: are they other form of this threat?”
>
>
>
> *Jean-François “Jeff” Lombardo* | Amazon Web Services
>
>
> Principal Standards Specialist, Identity Services
> Montréal, Canada
>
>
>
> *From:* Aaron Parecki <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* September 28, 2026 1:19 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* Lombardo, Jeff <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Sam Goto <
> [email protected]>
> *Subject:* RE: [EXT] [OAUTH-WG] Re: Is authorization code exfiltration a
> problem the WG wants to solve?
>
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>
> I thought we were not talking about the poll anymore.
>
>
>
> The poll was confusing, and didn't capture the discussion well. I am
> probably not alone in this, but it took me almost the entire length of the
> call to remember the context of the problem since the presentation jumped
> right in to a possible solution.
>
>
>
> I agree that the problem described by the researchers about authorization
> code exfiltration is a problem. I do not think the draft discussed on the
> call captures the problem statement well.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 10:09 AM Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> A majority of the people in the poll voted there was not a problem.|
>
> Are you a +1 that exfiltration of the authorization code is a problem?
>
> What about that problem was vague in the proposal?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 6:03 PM Aaron Parecki <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I did. I believe there is a problem to solve, and I don't think the
> current draft articulates the problem well or is even necessarily the right
> direction for the solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 9:57 AM Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The poll was what people voted on.
>
> The poll was to see if there was agreement that there was a problem to be
> solved. It was not that complicated. I had thought from the mail list that
> there was consensus on wanting to solve the problem. The poll showed
> otherwise.
>
> Rather than arguing about the poll -- you can answer the question I am
> posing. If the list disagrees with the pole, then we can work on the
> problem. If not, then there is no value in working on a problem the WG does
> not think is a problem.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 5:49 PM Aaron Parecki <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My understanding of the conversation on the call was that the WG does
> agree there is a problem, but the draft presented did not articulate the
> problem well enough. The wording of the poll did not capture the
> conversation very well.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 8:59 AM Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I'll repeat, the poll was ""Do people agree there is a problem to be
> solved"
>
> and the votes were a majority *no*.
>
> None of these agreements came out of the WG call:
>
> Members of the WG agree there is a problem/smoking gun
> Members of the WG disagree on the breaking change introduce as the
> unitarily option to solve it
> Members of the WG agree to more deeply formalize the problem so that
> additional options to work on could be formalized post adoption
>
>
>
> And I'm unclear what "the breaking change" is referring to.
>
> The proposed solution (which was not voted on) does not break anything
> existing. It allows incremental deployment.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 3:10 PM Aaron Parecki <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I will add my American 2 cents to Jeff's summary.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 7:03 AM Lombardo, Jeff <jeffsec=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Are you, Emelia and Dick [and all who voted], saying the same thing?
>
> "Do people agree there is a problem to be solved" is not a the same of "Do
> people agree there is a problem to be solved *like that*" as Emelia
> pointed.
>
>
>
> My 2 Canadian cents (roughly 0.1 US cent those days) is that:
>
>    - Members of the WG agree there is a problem/smoking gun
>    - Members of the WG disagree on the breaking change introduce as the
>    unitarily option to solve it
>    - Members of the WG agree to more deeply formalize the problem so that
>    additional options to work on could be formalized post adoption
>
>
>
> *Jean-François “Jeff” Lombardo* | Amazon Web Services
>
>
> Principal Standards Specialist, Identity Services
> Montréal, Canada
>
>
>
> *From:* Dick Hardt <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* September 28, 2026 8:48 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* Sam Goto <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* [EXT] [OAUTH-WG] Re: Is authorization code exfiltration a
> problem the WG wants to solve?
>
>
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>
>
> Checking in to see if this problem is something the WG wants to work on.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 5:19 PM Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Emilia
>
>
>
> The poll text was "Do people agree there is a problem to be solved"
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/polls-interim-2026-oauth-05-202609211300/
>
> Slide 4 of the presentation was presented during the poll.
>
>
> The poll was not adoption of the draft by the WG.
>
> /Dick
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 5:02 PM Emelia S. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dick,
>
>
>
> My interpretation from yesterday was that we were asked "Do we want to
> adopt this specific solution" and the answer was "no, because it's unclear
> if this actually solves the problem or not based on reading the draft text
> alone"
>
>
>
> There's no clear definition of the problem, therefore there can't be a
> solution, yet.
>
>
>
> — Emelia
>
>
>
> On 22 Sep 2026, at 17:05, Dick Hardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey
>
>
>
> At the September 21 interim [1], the chairs asked if there authorization
> code exfiltration is a problem to be solved. 3 said yes, 5 said no.
>
>
>
> The authorization code is a credential that we deliver in the redirect
> URL. From there it can be exfiltrated through history, logs, Referer, page
> JavaScript and extensions. Based on the Browser-Swapping thread [2] and the
> support for Redirect Headers in December [3], I had thought there was
> consensus that this is a problem.
>
>
>
> Do you think exfiltration of the authorization code is a problem this WG
> should solve?
>
>
>
> /Dick
>
>
>
> [1]
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2026-oauth-05/session/oauth
>
> [2]
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/K8Wnw08GzPstyAQAh0JmSB47pOQ/
>
> [3]
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/oauth/FFkUlOiz7I4K03pqjMfIFkxAwA8/
>
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