Hi, Dennis I like your proposal. Web office becomes more and more popular than desktop office. It's a good idea to link ODF with HTML5. What kind of Prove of Concept is it in your mind, that you want to implement with ODF Toolkit? I believe there are some existing projects which are trying to implement the conversion between ODF and HTML5, like WebODF.
Daisy 2011/10/4 Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]>: > My apologies for the heavy-duty cross-posting. It might be good to pick a > single public list and a subject header and converge there. > > Q: WHERE IS THE PROPOSAL? > > This started as a simple e-mail list question by Jaime R. Garza on the > [tdf-discuss] list: > <http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg07698.html>. > > There is no proposal in the sense of some technical submission to adapt ODF > for this purpose. You are pretty much seeing the extent of the discussion so > far. The proposal is a paragraph and concept being echoed around these lists > now. > > Q: WHERE TO BECOME INVOLVED IN ODF IN HTML5? > > There are probably two ways to be involved. > > First, development of a proof-of-concept and working [reference] > implementation is valuable. > > Secondly, the development of necessary specifications, perhaps jointly > between the OASIS ODF TC and the W3C, might be required. > > Also, one needs to differentiate between making some sort of > OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice deliverable that works in HTML5 and a worked > extension of HTML5 that somehow ties into the ODF Format. > > It might not even make technical sense to "make ODF part of HTML5," and that > has to be resolved also. > > Q: WHAT ABOUT OASIS (and what does Rob Weir have to say about this)? > > Rob is on vacation this week. I know he and others involved on the OASIS TCs > are interested in this topic. > > A related topic (defining HTML5 presentation of ODF documents) was raised at > the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance (OIC TC) on their 2011-09-07 > teleconference call: > <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201109/msg00009.html>. It came > under section 3.2.3 Profiles. The discussion is of a Web Profile for ODF. > That is not an insignificant effort. > > Q: WHAT ARE THE TECHNICAL CHALLENGES? > > ODF has no rendering model and certainly not an > interactive-presentation/-editing model. None. Obviously, > OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice do, but those is not to be found in the ODF > specification. > > There are an insignificant number of [X]HTML-isms in the ODF specifications. > XLINK is used, for example. > > There is no specified mapping to [X]HTML. If there were, the import/export > of [X]HTML in various implementations of ODF-bases software would presumable > work better. That would be the potential subject matter of a Web Profile > though. > > There is no standardized ODF DOM (and API) nor a mapping of ODF into an > HTML[5] DOM. Somehow, to make macros and applets work inside ODF, something > like this is required as well, although having it fit HTML5 as well might be > a confusion of abstraction levels. (The integration of macros and applets > that access the interior structure and external presentation of an ODF > document is implementation-defined in ODF 1.2.) > > Q: WHERE CAN TECHNICAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN? > > The ODF Toolkit project offers some DOM implementations, but they are not > part of ODF itself. > > The ODF Toolkit project is currently being moved to Apache though. That > project is currently quite Java-centric. It might be interesting to include > that effort in this conversation, however. > > If a public reference implementation were to be developed, I believe it is > desirable to have it be Apache licensed, wherever development were to occur. > The possibility of a new podling at Apache specifically for this effort > should not be overlooked. > > That is the only political part that I see to these challenges, apart from > developers, including in private projects, wanting to do it themselves. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jaime R. Garza [mailto:[email protected]] > <http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg07708.html> > < > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201110.mbox/%3ccajgn0paeboks7htqpc0waw_qrjgcxezr-rk+63mmbubsce-...@mail.gmail.com%3e> > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 03:29 > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5 > > Do you have any contacts, links, infos about the proposal and status? I > would really like to get involved! > > I think the first step is to integrate ODF into HTML5 as read only, editing > could come later. But this is more political than technical. > > Cheers! > > Jaime > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:07, Ian Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > < http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg07705.html> > < > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201110.mbox/%3ccaoap24+y0rfcoa78yfhtlmurq5lo4oj7aalyi3hp0rtfm-2...@mail.gmail.com%3e> > >> There has been a proposal to try and get ODF recognised as an official >> extension of HTML5. On the face of it it sounds a good idea but I >> don't know enough about the details or whether this is already in >> progress. I guess it would require discussion with W3C, OASIS, and >> probably TDF and ASF as a minimum. A logical technical need could be >> to develop ODF rendering and editing in web browsers. To start with >> this might simply be a limited subset of what can be achieved in >> OO/LibO. >> -- >> Ian > [ ... ] > >
