I love this :) A good contxt to spin back up some of the mesh/low-bandwidth snippet ideas that we worked on for OLPC.
* I'm reminded of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikislice * The topic that we need to add which seems missing so far is *offline collaborative editing*. Have any of you been working on this lately? It's not a very good pony express if you can read books and articles but only share short telegrams. I could submit something about this. * This might be a good reason to get a Wikipedia 1.0 snapshot out, and address ways to replicate that across languages. * Language: This might be a good excuse to upgrade Wiktionary to a multilingual lexemes-based project, showing a mix of translations from editors / models. * Language: this might also be a good excuse to include a multilingual interface to Wikispecies * Library: we should work with OpenLibrary to build a similarly tiered canon of open books, might be a good Wikisource project [most OL works aren't on WS, conversely there's no mechanism for making translations within OL] On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 7:15 AM Andrew Lih <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Stephane, how about I form a proposal in the Etherpad, and we can > double check to make sure it works for everyone. I could submit, but it may > be better for someone else to do so since I will be a co-submitter of at > least three other submissions, so reviewers may get sick of me.:) > > I was watching the Youtube WikiAfrica hour episode, and I really like your > points about not being satisfied just serving up the same high-bandwidth > content offline. > Wiktionary is indeed an under-appreciated project that could have massive > utility over low-bandwidth links like Meshtastic. The slower link speed > also gets us to think about innovative ways to serve up knowledge in new > forms and not just full Wikipedia articles. What knowledge formats should > we consider when the links are 1 kbps – AI chat? AI summaries, or something > else? I think it would be fascinating to assemble groups from the region, > including the local UNHCR folks who I've worked with in the past, to > brainstorm various uses. > > -Andrew > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:01 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Ok let’s pitch a Show-and-Tell where we can showcase different offline >> techs (IIAB, KH, Wikifundi, Cyberpony, etc.) in meatspace. >> >> Andrew, can you take care of the placeholder submission? I think you can >> add folks to the proposal so we can edit/correct stuff if need be. >> >> Ninja edit: was about to hit « send » when I saw you email Andrew. thanks! >> >> >> On 27 Mar 2025, at 14:17, Andrew Lih <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Great to hear that the Wikimania organizers are encouraging more of >> this, especially since there may be great applications for the region. >> >> If that is the case, perhaps we could submit something related to >> LoRa/Meshtastic now, get it in the system, and then combine or figure out >> how we do a session on it. >> >> Some ideas: >> 1. A group of folks are running the "Cyberpony Express" project in >> conjunction with the Burning Man organizers, on how to create an offline >> BBS and Wikipedia system using LoRa/Meshtastic in the desert (or in a >> survival scenario), and are already using IIAB. They might be interested in >> collaborating on something. See: >> >> https://highdesertinstitute.org/2025/03/19/initial-cyberpony-express-workshop-recap-and-next-steps/ >> >> 2. There don't seem to be any active Kenya groups (that I can see) using >> LoRa/Meshtastic, so Wikimania could be a great training ground for testing >> some services. Usually amateur/Ham radio groups are a good conduit for >> getting folks interested in Meshtastic, so we might want to reach out to >> them, or universities doing similar things. >> >> 3. We could experiment with setting up a Meshtastic network just for >> Wikimania, so people can try it out themselves. Access devices are as low >> as $30-40 USD. >> >> -Andrew >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 4:59 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Well folks from the organizing committee told me offline access would be >>> front and center this year so there’s definitely room for more offline >>> sessions! >>> >>> > On 26 Mar 2025, at 22:35, Andrew Lih <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi all, while I'm not sure there is room for a third session about >>> offline Wikipedia, there might be some interesting things to do during the >>> Hackathon. >>> > >>> > Specifically, there is a lot more attention to "offline friendly" >>> technologies like LoRa/Meshtastic, an inexpensive, long range wireless >>> peer/mesh system of radios to communicate with text messaging at low >>> bandwidth (1 kbps). This might be an interesting opportunity to see what >>> types of offline Wikipedia services might be practical using these types of >>> inexpensive devices. The good news is that LoRa uses unlicensed ISM bands >>> depending on the locale, and does not requiring a license or any >>> subscription fees. >>> > >>> > There are "international" devices that can use wireless spectrum >>> appropriate for different countries, so this might be a good time to >>> experiment or showcase these types of applications. >>> > >>> > Sample device: >>> > >>> https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html >>> > >>> > Example BBS/service on LoRa: >>> > https://github.com/TheCommsChannel/TC2-BBS-mesh >>> > >>> > -Andrew >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >> >> -- >> -Andrew Lih >> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large >> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist >> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American >> University, Columbia University, University of Southern California >> --- >> Email: [email protected], [email protected] >> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado >> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > > > -- > -Andrew Lih > Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large > Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist > Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American > University, Columbia University, University of Southern California > --- > Email: [email protected], [email protected] > WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado > PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE > > _______________________________________________ > Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266
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