Happy to participate if it makes sense. At the moment it feels like more than one panel. But I am interested in the offline to online connection and am involved in a project related to this.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2025 at 10:10 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < [email protected]> wrote: > Ok, then how about we propose a panel on Offline access in 2025? I see > there’s a panel format (not sure how it differs from the roundtable, except > it’s 15’ longer): it could be a show-and-tell, presenting how we went from > older projects like WP1/Wikislices to now, and present new things coming to > a connectivity desert near you. > > @SJ: offline collaborative editing could be a presentation of Wikifundi > from Florence, but there were also some discussion with NASA a couple of > years back with the Wikimedians for Space Wikis (or something like that, > apologies to Seddon, Cindy and David if they reads this). > > Who’s in? James/Tim? Andrew? Florence? Anyone else? > > > On 27 Mar 2025, at 21:27, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: > > I love this :) A good contxt to spin back up some of the > mesh/low-bandwidth snippet ideas that we worked on for OLPC. > > * I'm reminded of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikislice > * The topic that we need to add which seems missing so far is *offline > collaborative editing*. Have any of you been working on this lately? > It's not a very good pony express if you can read books and articles but > only share short telegrams. I could submit something about this. > * This might be a good reason to get a Wikipedia 1.0 snapshot out, and > address ways to replicate that across languages. > * Language: This might be a good excuse to upgrade Wiktionary to a > multilingual lexemes-based project, showing a mix of translations from > editors / models. > * Language: this might also be a good excuse to include a multilingual > interface to Wikispecies * Library: we should work with OpenLibrary to > build a similarly tiered canon of open books, might be a good Wikisource > project [most OL works aren't on WS, conversely there's no mechanism for > making translations within OL] > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 7:15 AM Andrew Lih <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Stephane, how about I form a proposal in the Etherpad, and we can >> double check to make sure it works for everyone. I could submit, but it may >> be better for someone else to do so since I will be a co-submitter of at >> least three other submissions, so reviewers may get sick of me.:) >> >> I was watching the Youtube WikiAfrica hour episode, and I really like >> your points about not being satisfied just serving up the same >> high-bandwidth content offline. >> Wiktionary is indeed an under-appreciated project that could have massive >> utility over low-bandwidth links like Meshtastic. The slower link speed >> also gets us to think about innovative ways to serve up knowledge in new >> forms and not just full Wikipedia articles. What knowledge formats should >> we consider when the links are 1 kbps – AI chat? AI summaries, or something >> else? I think it would be fascinating to assemble groups from the region, >> including the local UNHCR folks who I've worked with in the past, to >> brainstorm various uses. >> >> -Andrew >> >> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:01 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ok let’s pitch a Show-and-Tell where we can showcase different offline >>> techs (IIAB, KH, Wikifundi, Cyberpony, etc.) in meatspace. >>> >>> Andrew, can you take care of the placeholder submission? I think you can >>> add folks to the proposal so we can edit/correct stuff if need be. >>> >>> Ninja edit: was about to hit « send » when I saw you email Andrew. >>> thanks! >>> >>> >>> On 27 Mar 2025, at 14:17, Andrew Lih <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Great to hear that the Wikimania organizers are encouraging more of >>> this, especially since there may be great applications for the region. >>> >>> If that is the case, perhaps we could submit something related to >>> LoRa/Meshtastic now, get it in the system, and then combine or figure out >>> how we do a session on it. >>> >>> Some ideas: >>> 1. A group of folks are running the "Cyberpony Express" project in >>> conjunction with the Burning Man organizers, on how to create an offline >>> BBS and Wikipedia system using LoRa/Meshtastic in the desert (or in a >>> survival scenario), and are already using IIAB. They might be interested in >>> collaborating on something. See: >>> >>> https://highdesertinstitute.org/2025/03/19/initial-cyberpony-express-workshop-recap-and-next-steps/ >>> >>> 2. There don't seem to be any active Kenya groups (that I can see) using >>> LoRa/Meshtastic, so Wikimania could be a great training ground for testing >>> some services. Usually amateur/Ham radio groups are a good conduit for >>> getting folks interested in Meshtastic, so we might want to reach out to >>> them, or universities doing similar things. >>> >>> 3. We could experiment with setting up a Meshtastic network just for >>> Wikimania, so people can try it out themselves. Access devices are as low >>> as $30-40 USD. >>> >>> -Andrew >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 4:59 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Well folks from the organizing committee told me offline access would >>>> be front and center this year so there’s definitely room for more offline >>>> sessions! >>>> >>>> > On 26 Mar 2025, at 22:35, Andrew Lih <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi all, while I'm not sure there is room for a third session about >>>> offline Wikipedia, there might be some interesting things to do during the >>>> Hackathon. >>>> > >>>> > Specifically, there is a lot more attention to "offline friendly" >>>> technologies like LoRa/Meshtastic, an inexpensive, long range wireless >>>> peer/mesh system of radios to communicate with text messaging at low >>>> bandwidth (1 kbps). This might be an interesting opportunity to see what >>>> types of offline Wikipedia services might be practical using these types of >>>> inexpensive devices. The good news is that LoRa uses unlicensed ISM bands >>>> depending on the locale, and does not requiring a license or any >>>> subscription fees. >>>> > >>>> > There are "international" devices that can use wireless spectrum >>>> appropriate for different countries, so this might be a good time to >>>> experiment or showcase these types of applications. >>>> > >>>> > Sample device: >>>> > >>>> https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html >>>> > >>>> > Example BBS/service on LoRa: >>>> > https://github.com/TheCommsChannel/TC2-BBS-mesh >>>> > >>>> > -Andrew >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Andrew Lih >>> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large >>> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist >>> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American >>> University, Columbia University, University of Southern California >>> --- >>> Email: [email protected], [email protected] >>> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado >>> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >> >> -- >> -Andrew Lih >> Smithsonian Institution - Wikimedian at Large >> Metropolitan Museum of Art - Wikimedia strategist >> Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American >> University, Columbia University, University of Southern California >> --- >> Email: [email protected], [email protected] >> WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado >> PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > > > -- > Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 > _______________________________________________ > Offline-l mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > >
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