well. Quicksilver are $60 as appossed to Telecoms $63 ?? I cant remember...I just pay the bill ! I have moved (on tuesday morning) from Jetstream 600 to Jetstart, and noticed a BIT of a difference, But I for one am hanging out for Saturn Cable, BUT it has I think from memory a 2GB limit per month. Also no static IP if you want one, neither does jetstart, but jetstream does...for a price. My problem is, that Saturn are atleast 2 years away from where I live(I know the guy who is in charge of the saturn cables division and he told be it would be 2years before they get to Papanui), which is a pain. Jeremy Coulter --------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Zealand Delphi Users group - Offtopic List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.delphi.org.nz