"Shawn Walker" <swalker at opensolaris.org> wrote:
> With that said, your implication that my suggestion that such a branch
> exists is "willful disregard" of core values of OpenSolaris is an
> unfair mischaracterisation.
>
> If your conclusion is true, then Belenix, SchilliX, Nexenta, and
> Project Indiana are also projects that are showing "willful
> disregard."
When I created SchilliX in June 2005, thought that after the first SchilliX
release has been published, the "OpenSolaris project" would be interested
in collaborative work. Nothing happened. After Belenix was created without
asking me, it turned out that "willful disregard" was intended and it seems that
the current structures may not allow something different.
> Isn't one of Sun's taglines, "Innovation happens everywhere?"
And if innovation happens inside Sun, the code gets integrated ;-)
> My experience in programming primarily started with open source, and
> therefore, I have a very different view about what the *Open*Solaris
> community should be doing to encourage developers to join our
> community.
>
> The members of this community can either choose to provide a place and
> resources for developers to collaborate with low barriers to entry, or
> they can watch as that innovation will happen elsewhere, not here.
>
> Nexenta, Belenix, and SchilliX already happened outside of this community.
SchilliX happened inside the community.
Things still happen inside the community but the results are either silently
taken by others (see the SchilliX work base) or ignored at all. "The community"
is divided into "my code" islets.
Some people from Sun claim that collaboration cannot start because there is no
public writable SCCS. This is not the main issue. If we had a public SCCS,
nothing would change as we need to define "OpenSolaris community" rules for
accessing the public SCCS for writing. To enable this, we need rules that give
equal rights for all people that contribute code.
The interesting thing is that this would redefine the current hierarchy inside
Sun. If contributors from outside Sun get "equal rights", people from inside Sun
will also need "equal rights" and this would give rights to "hackers" that
currently are occupied by the middle Sun management. Maybe this is a reason why
it takes so long to allow code feedback from community members from outside Sun.
> The license of the OpenSolaris code base which forms the foundation of
> this community allows someone to create one of those forks you don't
> want already.
The way, Sun deals with work from the community causes forks.
> How many more distributions and developers will it take before some
> members of this community admit there is something wrong?
I did start a discussion directly after Belenix came out. As in many cases, I
was too early with my mail ;-)
J?rg
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