On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, John Plocher wrote:

> Stephen Lau wrote:
>> As I alluded to in one of my other emails - I think we do potentially
>> lose.  What happens if next year's election rolls around, and we fail to
>> reach the 50% required turnout?  What if we fail to reach it by the 13
>> votes that we just gave to the LDom folks?  (Not to pick on them - I'm
>> just using them as the convenient example we're currently debating)
>>
>> If Community Groups and voting privileges were disconnected more, then
>> I'd be more open to this.
>
>
> This points out a need to either manage Core membership better or
> to change the 50% voting rule, or to tie in voting requirements to
> continued core membership or ..., but it does not (IMHO) mean we
> should stop growing our community.
>
> I agree that the current state of the OpenSolaris Meta-Community
> governance is not what it should be, due in a large part to the
> unfortunate fact that the governance state of the various OpenSolaris
> communities themselves is almost rock bottom non-existent.
>
> What can we do?  The "hands off" OGB approach with zero tonic-team
> resources ("Here's the constitution, go make up your own processes,
> we can't/won't help, good luck") isn't working very well; most CGs
> don't know where to start, don't have any way of supporting their
> governance actions with website tools or infrastructure, and don't
> have much (any?) motivation to actually do the work.  Given the way
> we have stacked the deck against them, is it any wonder why they are
> not more involved?

John - your points are well made and difficult to refute.

I remember Roy Fielding making a point (in a conversation) that the 
single most useful and productive Apache related governance activity, 
was/is a monthly ("status") conf call with each group.

Regards,

Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  al at logical-approach.com
            Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134  Timezone: US CDT
OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/

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