Brandorr wrote: > On 9/14/07, Stephen Lau <stevel at sun.com> wrote: >> Holger Berger wrote: >>> On 9/14/07, Brandorr <brandorr at opensolaris.org> wrote: >>>> On 8/31/07, Keith M Wesolowski <keith.wesolowski at sun.com> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 11:36:22AM -0700, Chris Quenelle wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The tools-discuss alias has a fair amount of non-compiler traffic. I'm >>>>>> subscribed, >>>>>> but I don't get a chance to go through the email every day. If there was >>>>>> a >>>>>> tools-compilers (for Sun Studio and gcc) or something similar, I think >>>>>> I'd >>>>>> be able to respond to it more quickly. And I might be able to get some >>>>>> other >>>>>> Sun engineers in my area to sign up. I also subscribe to all the >>>>>> horrible >>>>>> "forum updated" emails, but I plow through those even less frequently >>>>>> than I check the tools-discuss alias emails. >>>>> It's fine with me to roll this into (and rename) the tools-gcc list, >>>>> which is very low-traffic now that the gcc work is done. >>>> +1 for tools-compilers >>> +1 for tools-compilers >> -1 >> >> This is not a Sun Studio support forum. I feel your pain, I really do - >> if the Sun Studio forums suck, then either: >> a) complain to Sun about it >> b) start your own >> >> Don't dilute OpenSolaris' already existing forums with more that aren't >> relevant. > > Stephen, even if there were a "good" Studio tools discussion list, I > still feel that it is appropriate to allow people to discuss compilers > as relates to OpenSolaris on a separate mailing list. SunStudio is a > critical tool, telling OpenSolaris developers to go elsewhere for > there compiler issues seems extreme.
I thought that's what this tools-discuss list was for... ? > (Wasn't it you that proposed the talk "Is it hard to contribute to > OpenSolaris? How can we make it easier?") Yup > Allowing this mailing list to exist and encouraging Sun Studio support > folks to subscribe would be a way to "make it easier." > >> The tools-discuss list is already setup for >> OpenSolaris-related tools discussion. Anything non-OpenSolaris related >> should go to a proper Sun Studio forum, not here. > > We have had engineers from the Studio group state that if there were a > more focused Opensolaris compilers mailing list, they would be more > willing and more responsive to helping us out. > > Also, unless I am missing something, we aren't talking about a generic > sunstudio compiler support list. This is a list for issues with both > GCC and Sunstudio as relates to compiling opensolaris code. > > What are the fears, and costs, that make this a non-starter in your mind? Fears and fears? That this will turn into a general Studio support forum, and that it's one more step on the way to creating lists for *everything* that run on an OS or are used in someway for it. Where does one draw the line? Java runs on OpenSolaris and is used as part of the build process... do we have a tools-java list? I just see it as a rapidly escalating problem where, because the OpenSolaris community is responsive (and other products aren't), people will pile on more and more lists onto the OpenSolaris community, thus overloading the few people around who are here to support it. The danger with a broad community like OpenSolaris is that it's very easy to justify extending the boundaries of that community thus extending or overreaching and diluting the actual core community. (and in case it needs to be said, though it shouldn't, this is strictly my personal opinion - not reflective of a Sun employee, or an OGB member) cheers, steve -- stephen lau // stevel at sun.com | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development
