Keith M Wesolowski wrote:
> I consider this a lot like getting promoted at work: if
> your manager is doing his job properly, he'll get you promoted when
> you deserve it. 

You must live in a protected world...

It has been my experience (both as a manager and as a managee) that
having an open dialog in the first place is a requirement.  *How* would
I know whether or not an employee wanted a promotion without first
talking to them about their career goals in a one-on-one discussion?
I work with many people who are happy where they are, and would be upset
if they were to be promoted without their active involvement in the
process.

Going back to what I said, and the context where I said it, it is clear
that the community has not proactively made Shawn a core contributer,
and my advice for him to simply ask them to promote him is entirely
reasonable.  On the other hand, pontificating about desired CG proactivism
without doing anything to *actually fix* the problem is (IMnshO) just a
waste of everyone's time.

   -John

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