On 4 May 2012 00:51, Karen Coyle <[email protected]> wrote: > On 5/3/12 3:21 PM, Ben Companjen wrote: > >> >> English Wikipedia's compact definition of volume [3] doesn't really >> help me understand the concept, but following the Dutch definition [4] >> and Karen's explanation in [1], I think volumes should be parts of >> editions. All volumes together are one edition of a work. Another >> edition may have the content in a single volume. > > I agree. "Volume-ness" is an aspect of the creation of a physical > publication, generally. So any edition would have 1 or more volumes. > > The difficulty seems to arise in the process of scanning. For the > purposes of scanning, each physical volume becomes a scanned file. When > scanning agencies haven't planned for multiple volumes, they set up > their rules such that: > > 1 volume = 1 file = 1 metadata record = 1 edition > > The formula needs to be > > 1 edition = 1 metadata record = 1 or >1 volumes and one file per volume > > Just about everyone who has taken on scanning has made this same mistake > (as Tom points out). > > OL would need to have a hierarchical layer in between editions and the > files that represent volumes, but at the moment that layer doesn't > exist, and there isn't a way to associate files with volumes.
Wait a minute... My statistics script caught a couple of OL IDs of volumes, e.g. /books/OL13439942M/v1. It redirects to <http://openlibrary.org/books/OL13439942M/The_ingenious_gentleman_Don_Quixote_of_La_Mancha>, which in the right column shows links to all separate volumes. So it is possible! It seems AnandBot may have linked the files to the record in 2009. The JSON view <http://openlibrary.org/books/OL13439942M.json> shows how these links are stored: under the key "volumes", as a list of /type/volume objects. It's likely then, that there are 26 editions with links to multiple volumes. > Somewhere there needs to be a document entitled "BEFORE YOU START > SCANNING BOOKS, READ THIS!" that includes tips of this nature so we can > quit making this mistake over and over. Well, Open Library is a wiki. If there were some pages editable by common users, we could make a start. Or write the whole thing. I wouldn't know for sure what the best way to get "the community" involved in helping to write documentation. Ben > > kc > >> >> Perhaps the /type/volume can somehow be used to store the information >> about each volume (volume title, physical aspects)? >> >> Ben >> (still not a librarian) >> >> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00242.html >> [2] http://openlibrary.org/type/volume >> [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_%28publishing%29 >> [4] http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_%28fysieke_informatiedrager%29 >> >> On 3 May 2012 21:26, Lars Aronsson<[email protected]> wrote: >>> This record http://openlibrary.org/works/OL15528638W/Tietosanakirja >>> has the title "Tietosanakirja", but it is volume 11 of that work. >>> >>> This record was created from a book scanned by the Internet Archive, >>> http://archive.org/details/tietosanakirja11bons >>> and there is only the number "11" in the URL that indicates this >>> is one of many volumes of a work. >>> >>> Does the OpenLibrary now have a way to create a record for the work, >>> and connect together the records for each of the 11 volumes? I.e. >>> is there a "part of" relationship between OpenLibrary records? >>> >>> I think I asked the same question in the past, but that was one or >>> two years ago. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lars Aronsson ([email protected]) >>> Project Runeberg - free Nordic literature - http://runeberg.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ol-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >>> [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] > > -- > Karen Coyle > [email protected] http://kcoyle.net > ph: 1-510-540-7596 > m: 1-510-435-8234 > skype: kcoylenet > _______________________________________________ > Ol-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > [email protected] _______________________________________________ Ol-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to [email protected]
