+1 This is the kinds of roundabout answers that you get from many institutions, such as the Smithsonian, but basically puts a stop to all forms of reuse, defeating the purpose of an "open" environment.
Alex Stinson On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Tom Morris <tfmor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Happy Open Data Day! Thanks for bringing this up. I think one of the > best things that people can do to be "open" is to be explicit and > transparent about the terms that they license their information under and, > if they accept & remix content, the terms under which they accept data. > > One of the key things that Creative Commons licenses were designed to > address is the friction caused by everyone having to read, understand, and > approve of lots of different unique licenses. Refusing to declare a > license and making cloudy statements about the provenance of the data is > the ultimate in anti-openness. > > I eagerly await clarification from the Open Library and/or Internet > Archive staff. > > Tom > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Ben Companjen <bencompan...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I should have added the most clearly confusing license statement, >> buried at http://openlibrary.org/developers/licensing >> >> "The Internet Archive does not assert any new copyright or other >> proprietary rights over any of the material in the Open Library >> database. There may be existing rights issues on some contributions >> and in some jurisdictions. When it comes to community projects, the >> legal issues are, frankly, very confusing, but we are attempting to >> make a database that can be openly used for a wide variety of >> purposes. We appreciate all that have contributed." >> >> On 23 February 2013 20:40, Ben Companjen <bencompan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On this Open Data Day [0], for some already over, for others just >> > starting, to celebrate, promote and use Open Data (with "open" as in >> > the Open Definition [1]), I would really like to know: under what >> > terms can data from Open Library be used? >> > >> > This question recently surfaced (on the ol-tech list) when John Shutt >> > proposed to add first paragraphs from Wikipedia to work descriptions. >> > Wikipedia's licence requires attribution (which is easily added), but >> > also that the derived work is shared under the same conditions. When >> > someone edits a work or book, she agrees to waive all rights by >> > sharing the content of the edit under CC0 [2]. CC0 is incompatible >> > with CC-BY and CC-BY-SA, because it requires no attribution and >> > certainly no "share alike". >> > >> > In the discussion, Karen pointed at the Terms and conditions of the >> > Internet Archive [3] (that as you know hosts/pays for OL) and that >> > they apply to OL content. They state that IA respects others' >> > copyright (and not much more is said). Tom Morris replied that makes >> > it really difficult to know what usage rights are granted for OL >> > dumps, web data, API data etc. >> > >> > I believe it is important to show (limitations to) what can be done >> > with the OL data and if necessary, clearly state that text with >> > some/all rights restricted (e.g. from Wikipedia) should not be >> > included in OL. >> > >> > Related question: as lots of information was ingested from the Library >> > of Congress and other libraries and Amazon, were there special or >> > general (non-exclusive) agreements that allowed OL to take this data? >> > >> > There may be arguments for "fair use", "facts can't be copyrighted", >> > "LC data is in the public domain", but these are partial answers at >> > best. >> > >> > Enjoy Open Data Day :) >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Ben >> > >> > [0] http://opendataday.org >> > [1] http://opendefinition.org >> > [2] http://creativecommons.org/about/cc0 >> > [3] http://archive.org/about/terms.php >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ol-discuss mailing list > Ol-discuss@archive.org > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org > >
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