Hi Robert, all, the situation is not bad, the ground of OpenMandriva is fresh and fertile, treaded by very talented people, doing very nice job :)
We are just at a different state of our evolution. At the beginning, we were a very small group (even though coming from all over the world) having to take quick decisions, now we are an agregation of developers, users, packagers, even partners and potential clients. Today all decision have an impact on far bigger number of people linked to the distribution. IRC, openproject etc are very good tools. The fact is that we are not a company, many people don't attend the IRC for many reasons, or don't scrutate all the projects for other reasons. But we have people inside the association, that are here for letting information circulate between members of the association, between the community (for example Joao, but also all our forum moderators, in several languages), or who are responsible of a community federated with OpenMandriva (MIB, OpenMandriva.br) or independant (MRB...) that can spread the word, show the related IRC discussions or openproject page, discuss, bring feedback, maybe invite some new people to be member of the association and participate to the discussions and decisions. But we are not alone anymore. Simple illustration; there is, currently, a potential future partner building a product based on Mandriva, and now trying to make a comparison between Mageia, OpenMandriva and several Mandriva forks as next base for their products. A big part on their product is based on urpmi and lot of their Java and XUL programs are working over the urpmi libraries (including for example the urpmi-parallel feature for maintaining hundreds of computers in schools). A radical and sudden change to libzypp can be a real big problem. This doesn't mean they have to stick with urpmi forever, but for these people, we can't act as "let's do this, it should not be too much pain, we'll fix the broken stuff later". However yes, we also need to move and not stick in endless discussion, or we'll die. The big picture is simple, at the same time we need: * A reliable distribution, stable, clean, robust, fast, with as much as possible packages maintained, where users, packagers, contributors needs are taken in account. * A place for risk and innovation, a playground for preparing the future (I would even say, in ideal world, several possible futures), so that we can assure we will early master some new technologies. A place where we can take short term decisions. * We need _*consensus*_ amongst members. We need time for wide discussions, listen feedback, being present on our community channels. We need to listen every body with respect, hear people, invite them to talk, remember that it's a common project. And we need to remember that we are in evolution, maybe in few weeks we'll be hundrends, maybe just a few dozens, or less... So we have to adapt with our size, and realize what is our size. Yes this seems complicated, but we have talented people inside the association that can manage all this. Cheers Raphaël PS: without this discussion, maybe we would never had heard Jeff's opinion related to libZYPP and SAT :) 2014-09-09 5:44 GMT+02:00 Robert Xu <[email protected]>: > Hi all, > > For some reason, people in Cooker don't seem to be on the same page. > > I'm going to refer you guys to project.openmandriva.org, where all of > this was requested/debated/etc. But I'm also going to make this the > mega-thread too: > > * Yes, we have switched to LLVM/Clang as our default compiler for > 2015.0. You don't have to use it; simply set CC=gcc and CXX=g++ in > your spec file. > * We are considering switching to libzypp for 2015.0. Yes, we are - > because none of us can maintain perl-URPM, and it has become more of a > maintenance hassle than anything else. > * No, there really isn't anything else so far, other than general > bugfixing, maybe getting translation working, etc. That's it. > > Feel free to talk below. If you think we're doing something major, > please let us know so that we can clarify, because like I've said > before, IRC IS NOT A SUITABLE MEDIUM FOR PERMANENT DECISIONS. > > -- > cheers, Robert :: github.com/robxu9 > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >
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