On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move > >>>>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For services > >>>>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to > Oracle's > >>>>>>> server, by IP address. As additional services are migrated to > >> Apache, > >>>>>>> we remove redirects. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the Apache > >>>>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is > "up" > >> on > >>>>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is > available > >>>>>> via > >>>>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY > >>>>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where. > >>>>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a > >>>>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in > >> order. > >>>>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a > >> reasonable > >>>>>> schedule. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business. > >>>>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is > >>>>>> everything. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on > >> parts > >>>>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only > >>>>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not > doing > >>>>>> much > >>>>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated on > >> the > >>>>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really > have > >> NO > >>>>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the > >>>>>> moment. > >>>>>> This would be interesting to find out. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also > wonder > >>>>> what > >>>>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? Who > >>>>> choosed that template? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a > >> template. > >>>> ???? > >>>> > >>>> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it > handles > >>>> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before > the > >>>> move. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good > >>>> > >>>>> idea to simply change it as please. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see: > >>>> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl > >>>> > >>>> You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o private > >> key. > >>>> > >>>> If you have your own OO.o ID and login, you should be able to see what > >>>> projects you are a member of and what rights you have to them. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the direction > of > >>>>> that > >>>>> site. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Well...it's my understanding that eventually it will cease to exist, > at > >>>> some point yet to be determined. Thus, we need to put whatever effort > we > >> can > >>>> into this new Apache endeavor. > >>> > >>> > >>> Sorry Kay, I know the Kenai layout, I was asking about Apache-OOo new > >> site: > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ > >>> > >>> I think this one is set up here: > >>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/ > >>> > >>> It seems to have some perl(?) scripts: > >>> > >> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/lib/view.pm?revision=1137122&view=markup > >>> > >>> Not sure if its using a framework or just random perl scripts holding > >> things > >>> somewhat automated. From what I see there are some Templates setup: > >>> > >> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/templates/skeleton.html?revision=1137122&view=markup > >> > >> That is the template. The css is here: > >> incubator/ooo/site/trunk/content/openofficeorg/css/ooo.css > >> > > > > What about the rest of the questions: > > - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)? > > This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think that there are > plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic server, but I think > that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion about user support ideas and > your response has me thinking Open Social. > > > - What is the direction of this site? > > I think we build it and move it around. My thought is that we build the new > Apache OpenOffice replacement for openoffice.org at > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/www/ with the mdtext at > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/www/ > > I think that the initial OpenOffice landing page is pretty nicely done. > > > - Who decided on this template? > > It was copied from another podling. Feel free to make adjustments under > lazy consensus. > > I did find the following: > https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/cms/conversion-utilities/cwiki/README.txt > > So, we can develop content on OOODEV and then convert it to markdown. This > would be good to know and test. > Should we just import the original OOo Theme? I am aware the difference CSS changes that would need to be made but this was done for MediaWiki and Drupal already. So I dont see any reason why the Apache cms (OOo@Apache) wouldnt. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dave > >> > >>> On Kenai, it did had the tigris template, which we drag from Collabnet, > >> and > >>> the CSS had some major change to it spreading it across 6 different > >>> stylesheets (before it was only one). And there were of course a > template > >>> use on most of the projects. BizDev and Education tried a tableless CSS > >>> which never made it to production. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2) Do it in the opposite direction: DNS goes to Oracle's servers > and > >>>>>>> they redirect to Apache for services that we've migrated. As > >> services > >>>>>>> are migrated we ask Oracle to add additional requests. When > >>>>>>> everything is migrated then we switch over the DNS. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> This seems like a better idea with less redirection for the time > >> being. > >>>>>> However, this puts control in Oracle's court which may not be > >> desirable. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> #1 seems a lot cleaner to me, and requires less coordination with > >>>>>>> Oracle. We control the DNS, redirects and generally set the pace > of > >>>>>>> migration. But are there protocols beyond http/https that we need > to > >>>>>>> worry about? For example, any ftp, smtp, nntp, etc. that would > >>>>>>> complicate things? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If we can agree on the general approach I don't see why we couldn't > >>>>>>> start some migration this week. Bugzilla, for example, seems to be > a > >>>>>>> straightforward. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Well this particular area seems OK. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Really I will do some work via the wiki this week to augment the > list > >> on > >>>>>> the wiki from my perspective on what needs to be done. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Rob > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> MzK > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good > >> stuff, > >>>>>> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and > >>>>>> I'll just start over kind of attitude." > >>>>>> -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> MzK > >>>> > >>>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good > stuff, > >>>> that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and > >>>> I'll just start over kind of attitude." > >>>> -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> *Alexandro Colorado* > >>> *OpenOffice.org* Español > >>> http://es.openoffice.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
