Shane, I'll be happy to assist on 'tracking down the renewal details for various countries', as you say.
/don On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Shane Curcuru <[email protected]> wrote: > On 6/27/2011 9:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Shane Curcuru<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different threads: >>> branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is handled on the >>> privately archived [email protected] mailing list. Apache policy is >>> set >>> by the VP, Brand Management and the associated officer's committee, and >>> implementation of the policy details is left up to each project's (P)PMC. >>> >>> Sam pointed to the main trademark policy document below; at some point >>> once >>> this project has more of the website migrated to Apache infrastructure, >>> folks will want to review the Apache Project Branding Requirements for >>> things that need to be on the project website. >>> >>> >>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/pmcs<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs> >>> >>> So the decision on licensing Apache marks for things like certification >>> is >>> made between the VP, Brand Management and the project's (P)PMC. Note >>> that >>> we have specific policies for domains and events, and I believe the ASF >>> will >>> need to further codify and document policies for services and third party >>> certifications in the future. >>> >>> Note also that Oracle's intent is indeed to assign all OOo related >>> trademarks to the ASF, although the legal paperwork is not yet complete. >>> Thus, we can't actually license any uses of the OOo marks quite yet. >>> 8-) >>> >>> >> OK. Thanks for the background info, Shane. Will the PPMC be >> notified when the trademark transfer has been completed, so we can >> further discuss Ian's request? >> > > Of course! I'll also include the list of all the registrations (and > applications; the applications were not completed in all the countries it > was applied for)), and I'll also ask for a PPMC volunteer to help tracking > down the renewal details for various countries. > > In terms of policies for certifications, we need to ensure that: > > - The ASF as an entity does not take on risk. We are a public charity with > a mission to produce software for the public good. We're happy to have > third parties take our code and use it for any purposes (as spelled out in > the license), as long as third parties respect our brands. > > - Apache marks need to be respected. Thus any certification programs that > use our marks/logos need to have a clear distinction between the third > party's certification program and our marks. > > - The ASF does not serve as a certification or standards body. Thus we > need to be clear that it's the third party providing the "certification" of > any results, not the ASF. > > I don't think any of these are difficult, nor should they be a surprise to > people like Ian; we just need to ensure we clearly specify what the ASF's > policy is on this first. > > - Shane > > >> -Rob >> >> - Shane >>> >>> On 6/16/2011 8:48 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Reposting with a new subject line, and copying the appropriate >>>> trademark's mailing list. >>>> >>>> The relevant policy can be found here: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/> >>>> >>>> - Sam Ruby >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ian Lynch<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 June 2011 12:00, Sam Ruby<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, >>>>> IngridvdM<IngridvdM@gmx-**topmail.de<[email protected]> >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> manager >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or any name that could create the impression that this person has >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> rights than the others. Maybe we can choose 'contact' as a neutral >>>>>>> description in case something turns out to be needed? Or is there >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> more neutral word? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The only 'contact' that people need for this project is >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> If this list grows too large or too busy, then we can create >>>>>> additional 'contacts' in the form of more mailing lists. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK, sounds sensible to try using what already exists until there is a >>>>> good >>>>> reason not too :-) >>>>> >>>>> Let me test the system ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Alexandro Colorado and myself (both been involved with the OOo >>>>> community >>>>> for >>>>> years) have been negotiating with a large training company to provide a >>>>> community backed certification for OOo but with a vector to potentially >>>>> 1500 >>>>> centres. I previously sought and was granted permission by Oracle to >>>>> use >>>>> the >>>>> OOo branding on certificates. I guess we need community consensus here >>>>> now, >>>>> to carry on with that. There is quite a long history to all this and I >>>>> declare a financial interest. I set up a UK government accredited >>>>> awarding >>>>> organisation (The Learning Machine Ltd) to enable a mechanism for >>>>> funding >>>>> FOSS and CC education development that was independent of licensing ie >>>>> the >>>>> business model is QA so no problem licensing any supporting stuff >>>>> freely. >>>>> >>>>> To get started required investment so the only way to do that was to >>>>> set >>>>> up >>>>> a for profit and sell shares. That together with EU grants has put well >>>>> over >>>>> £1m of investment into this. We have had some successes such as schools >>>>> that >>>>> started using our generic certification with MS products that have now >>>>> switched to OOo. I can get the FOSS voice heard in influential >>>>> government >>>>> places. The strategy is in general to be product neutral but to use >>>>> FOSS >>>>> for >>>>> all exemplars and supporting materials. This gives us a channel to get >>>>> closed source users at least in contact with FOSS so there is a clear >>>>> marketing strategy. With OOo certification we can say eg the WP >>>>> certificate >>>>> was achieved in the context of OOo Writer and put an OOo logo on the >>>>> certificate. The assessment criteria are generic so we could do the >>>>> same >>>>> with LibO, Koffice etc. or indeed any FOSS software project, Inkscape, >>>>> Gimp, >>>>> Audacity etc. WE could even do professional Apache qualifications if >>>>> there >>>>> was a demand. Once we work out delivery costs (Its variable and depends >>>>> on >>>>> volume) we give a kick back to community funds in return for using the >>>>> branding. We have the infrastructure in place using a LAMP stack for >>>>> assessment and certification and Drupal for community support with >>>>> dynamic >>>>> links between the 2. Portal is at www.theingots.org. The acronym INGOT >>>>> is >>>>> International Grades - Open Technologies. >>>>> >>>>> We are accredited by Ofqual the UK national exam regulators and >>>>> endorsed >>>>> by >>>>> the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT. All our >>>>> qualifications >>>>> are >>>>> referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. We have 2 EU >>>>> Transfer >>>>> of innovation projects and we are monitored by all these so the >>>>> community >>>>> can have some confidence that we "know what we are doing". My >>>>> background >>>>> is >>>>> that I was a UK School Inspection Team leader and assessor of the >>>>> National >>>>> Professional Qualification for Headteachers. >>>>> >>>>> So what I'm asking for is permission to use the OOo Trademark and >>>>> general >>>>> community support. >>>>> >>>>> Trying to keep this reasonably short so please feel free to ask any >>>>> questions. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) >>>>> >>>>> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >>>>> >>>>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, >>>>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and >>>>> Wales. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>
