On 6/27/2011 9:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Shane Curcuru<[email protected]> wrote:
Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different threads:
branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is handled on the
privately archived [email protected] mailing list. Apache policy is set
by the VP, Brand Management and the associated officer's committee, and
implementation of the policy details is left up to each project's (P)PMC.
Sam pointed to the main trademark policy document below; at some point once
this project has more of the website migrated to Apache infrastructure,
folks will want to review the Apache Project Branding Requirements for
things that need to be on the project website.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
So the decision on licensing Apache marks for things like certification is
made between the VP, Brand Management and the project's (P)PMC. Note that
we have specific policies for domains and events, and I believe the ASF will
need to further codify and document policies for services and third party
certifications in the future.
Note also that Oracle's intent is indeed to assign all OOo related
trademarks to the ASF, although the legal paperwork is not yet complete.
Thus, we can't actually license any uses of the OOo marks quite yet. 8-)
OK. Thanks for the background info, Shane. Will the PPMC be
notified when the trademark transfer has been completed, so we can
further discuss Ian's request?
Of course! I'll also include the list of all the registrations (and
applications; the applications were not completed in all the countries
it was applied for)), and I'll also ask for a PPMC volunteer to help
tracking down the renewal details for various countries.
In terms of policies for certifications, we need to ensure that:
- The ASF as an entity does not take on risk. We are a public charity
with a mission to produce software for the public good. We're happy to
have third parties take our code and use it for any purposes (as spelled
out in the license), as long as third parties respect our brands.
- Apache marks need to be respected. Thus any certification programs
that use our marks/logos need to have a clear distinction between the
third party's certification program and our marks.
- The ASF does not serve as a certification or standards body. Thus we
need to be clear that it's the third party providing the "certification"
of any results, not the ASF.
I don't think any of these are difficult, nor should they be a surprise
to people like Ian; we just need to ensure we clearly specify what the
ASF's policy is on this first.
- Shane
-Rob
- Shane
On 6/16/2011 8:48 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Reposting with a new subject line, and copying the appropriate
trademark's mailing list.
The relevant policy can be found here:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
- Sam Ruby
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ian Lynch<[email protected]> wrote:
On 16 June 2011 12:00, Sam Ruby<[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, IngridvdM<[email protected]>
wrote:
I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or
manager
or any name that could create the impression that this person has more
rights than the others. Maybe we can choose 'contact' as a neutral
description in case something turns out to be needed? Or is there even
a
more neutral word?
The only 'contact' that people need for this project is
[email protected].
If this list grows too large or too busy, then we can create
additional 'contacts' in the form of more mailing lists.
OK, sounds sensible to try using what already exists until there is a
good
reason not too :-)
Let me test the system ;-)
Alexandro Colorado and myself (both been involved with the OOo community
for
years) have been negotiating with a large training company to provide a
community backed certification for OOo but with a vector to potentially
1500
centres. I previously sought and was granted permission by Oracle to use
the
OOo branding on certificates. I guess we need community consensus here
now,
to carry on with that. There is quite a long history to all this and I
declare a financial interest. I set up a UK government accredited
awarding
organisation (The Learning Machine Ltd) to enable a mechanism for funding
FOSS and CC education development that was independent of licensing ie
the
business model is QA so no problem licensing any supporting stuff freely.
To get started required investment so the only way to do that was to set
up
a for profit and sell shares. That together with EU grants has put well
over
£1m of investment into this. We have had some successes such as schools
that
started using our generic certification with MS products that have now
switched to OOo. I can get the FOSS voice heard in influential government
places. The strategy is in general to be product neutral but to use FOSS
for
all exemplars and supporting materials. This gives us a channel to get
closed source users at least in contact with FOSS so there is a clear
marketing strategy. With OOo certification we can say eg the WP
certificate
was achieved in the context of OOo Writer and put an OOo logo on the
certificate. The assessment criteria are generic so we could do the same
with LibO, Koffice etc. or indeed any FOSS software project, Inkscape,
Gimp,
Audacity etc. WE could even do professional Apache qualifications if
there
was a demand. Once we work out delivery costs (Its variable and depends
on
volume) we give a kick back to community funds in return for using the
branding. We have the infrastructure in place using a LAMP stack for
assessment and certification and Drupal for community support with
dynamic
links between the 2. Portal is at www.theingots.org. The acronym INGOT is
International Grades - Open Technologies.
We are accredited by Ofqual the UK national exam regulators and endorsed
by
the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT. All our qualifications
are
referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. We have 2 EU
Transfer
of innovation projects and we are monitored by all these so the community
can have some confidence that we "know what we are doing". My background
is
that I was a UK School Inspection Team leader and assessor of the
National
Professional Qualification for Headteachers.
So what I'm asking for is permission to use the OOo Trademark and general
community support.
Trying to keep this reasonably short so please feel free to ask any
questions.
--
Ian
Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
