On 03/08/11 14:38, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ian Lynch<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3 August 2011 14:14, Rob Weir<[email protected]> wrote:
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Ah. OK. He was asking for speculation on why the traffic is less now
than a year ago. Impossible to say, since I can't find any data on
what the traffic actually was a year ago. One way to back speculation
with facts would be to get a log of edits from last year, gather the
editors who were most active then, and contact them with a set of
survey questions.
Rob, I think that I covered this point to some degree in an earlier post
today :-) //Terry
Sorry, replacing Andre's speculation with your speculation is not the
same as introducing facts.
-Rob
I think there is a difference between informed hypothesis and speculation
:-)
Thanks, I have been monitoring the wiki from the system side since early
2010, and the forums for over 5 years. So I do have relevant
/experience/ of usage patterns. Unfortunately, I just don't have the
time to do the quantitative analysis because of my other workload.
And neither is the same as facts. I'm concerned when I hear
paternalistic statements of "our contributors will never post patches"
or "They would never ever sign the iCLA", or "If we don't let them
contribute anonymously with 1-character passwords and fake names under
an eclectic license of their choice then they will kill themselves".
Have we asked them? Are we really certain that all 35,000 registered
wiki users are incapable or unwilling to sign a piece of paper and
mail it to Apache? Have we had this conversation with them? Have we
even brought it up? Have we explained the workings of Apache
projects to them and how the meritocracy works? Have we even sent
all registered wiki users a note, telling them that we're moving to
Apache and inviting them to join us? Have we proposed the idea of the
iCLA to them and explained the benefits to them, how it would ensure
the license to their contributions was clear and ensures that their
contributions could then be reused by others?
I really expect more, much more, from our PPMC members, in terms of
community outreach and community development. These are important
goals for the project. This is not achieved by having 2 or 3 people
claiming to speak for the opinions of thousands. It is done by
reaching out to those thousands and showing them the benefits of
working at Apache, and inviting them to join us here.
Rob, a nice polemic but why is it relevant to a point about /usage
patterns/ on the wiki. I am already working 12+ hours a day on
migration this /pro bono/, not salaried by some company to do my job.
If you want hard data to inform the decision making process, then
ranting at people working to their limit really doesn't help. Perhaps
you can get an account on the prod wiki and do the analysis yourself.
Regards Terry
