Hi,
On 29.08.2011 03:22, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
Hello
For your lazy consensus, when is the expiration at which time you propose to
act?
a lazy consensus is not necessary.
OK, I see.
Also, because this is a matter involving legalities, I'm not sure lazy
consensus works here. We need to check with the trademark-policy folks to
understand what the ceremony is. I suspect that any permission must come from
them, not one of us. But they may want the recommendation of the PPMC, which
is what the lazy consensus would then be for.
It may be that the publisher does not require specific permission from us:
See<http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#booktitle>. But if they do, or
if as a publisher they are wary of not having an explicit agreement, I think it needs
to come from an officer of ASF.
I think this is pretty clear:
"You may write about Apache Foo software, and use our trademarks in
book or article titles. You needn't ask us for permission to refer to
Foo, as in "Foo for Dummies", or "Explaining Foo", or "Foo
Simplified", or "O'Reilly Guide to Foo", or even "Avoiding Foo". We
prefer that you refer to "Apache Foo" rather than simply "Foo" in the
title if it fits, and we request that you clearly identify that
"Apache", "Apache Foo", and "Foo" are trademarks of the Apache
Software Foundation wherever you normally acknowledge important
trademarks in your book or article."
http://apache.org/foundation/marks/
I had already have been reading it, but ...
Nobody has to ask to use the term Apache OpenOffice.org. But it is
preferred that the booktitile is "Apache OpenOffice.org 3.3 für Ein-
und Umsteiger".
... the crucial point is that BHV wants to use the OOo logo.
From what I've learned so far on this list calling the book "Apache
OpenOffice.org 3.3 ..." would be totally inappropriate, OOo 3.3 is still
a product licensed under LGPLv3 that was build by Oracle. It's not ALv2
Best regards,
Peter
There are few other rules which must apply as stated on the trademarks website.
Cheers,
Christian
Since this is our first try at this, I have copied the trademarks@ address.
- Dennis
HMMM...
Also, and this is probably not the right time for this (especially for
OpenOffice.org 3.3), we might want to come up with a request (or requirement?)
that publishers include a link to locations under our support where current
information, updates, and support about OpenOffice.org can be found. (That
would be separate from links the publisher might provide for updates on their
book and on the 10,000+ templates that are provided on the DVD.)
We also, now that I think about it, need to provide information in our distros
and maybe for use in print, about the availability of source code for a
specific release and for information on source code for other releases,
including the latest.
[I think I will flag these two as notes-to-self for something we need to pay
attention to. The specific source-code-availability requirement may not be so
strict under ALv2 and Apache practice, in contrast with the LGPL requirement.
It seems like a great thing to perpetuate, regardless. It is another reason to
keep the openoffice.org domain name operating because of linking from material
in print as well as on-line.]
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Junge [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 09:33
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: [Proposal] Give the BHV publishing house in Kaarst/Germany the
permission to use the OpenOffice.org trademark and logo
Hi,
I would like to propose --*seeking lazy consensus*-- that the BHV
publishing GmbH, Novesiastrasse 60, D-41564 Kaarst (Germany) is
permitted to use the OpenOffice.org logo and trademark for their book
(in preparation) "OpenOffice.org 3.3 für Ein- und Umsteiger" [1] [2],
means something like "OOo 3.3 for beginners and people who are
migrating" in English. This package includes a handbook (printed and
eBook) and a DVD with the OOo binaries. The OOo logo and trademark would
be used on the book cover, within the book and on the label of the DVD.
BHV has been publishing similar books for previous versions of OOo for
many years, e.g. [3].
I would like to advocate granting the OOo logo usage to BHV, as such
books foster the public visibility of OOo.
Mr. Ralf Kraft, representing BHV (nit subscribed to this ML) is on CC.
(NOTE: The mock-up of the cover is still using the old OOo logo, but I
already have been pointing out to Mr. Kraft that using the latest logo
[4] would be preferred.)
Best regards,
Peter
[1] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8268859/OpenOfficeSkribble.jpg
[2] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8268859/PI-OpenOfficeV33Pro.odt (including
ISBN code)
[3] http://www.amazon.de/dp/3826673476?m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&tag=idealoversand-21
[4] http://about.openoffice.org/index.html#logo
