On 29 September 2011 21:15, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > But, evidently, not all of the mentors appear on the ooo committers list. (I > found two absent immediately.) That has to be researched further.
Mentors are not necessarily committers. Committership needs to be earned in the community, this goes for mentors as well. All we bring with us is an understanding of the Apache Way and the ASF. We do not have merit within the OOo project community and thus are not really committers. Ross > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:55 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members > >>> The entries in bold identify some who might (also) be >>> mentors/ASF Members. >> >> Bold identifies ASF members. Not every member listed is a Mentor. I think >> though you have to be a Member to be a Mentor although I could be wrong >> about that. > > You don't need to be a Member to become a Mentor - the restriciton is > you are an IPMC member. > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#mentors-ipmc > > It is easy to become an IPMC member when you are an ASF member, > because you simply need to ask for addition. > > To my knowledge all Mentors of the OOO podling are ASF members. > > Cheers > Christian > > >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>> - Dennis >>> >>> PS: This index finds all committers and what projects they are authorized >>> to commit on: <http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html>. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:58 >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members >>> >>> Looking at the AOO "people" page >>> (http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html) I see "some of >>> our contributors". Is this a list of committers? If so, perhaps new >>> committers can be announced along the lines of, "The OpenOffice list >>> of Committers at <URL> has updated with the addition of <name>." Less >>> laudatory, more PSA. >>> >>> If that list on the site isn't of committers, should it be? Or should >>> there be one, with "other contributors" mentioned? >>> >>> Don >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> A recent press article suggested that this project had not had any new >>>> committers since the project started. This is false. But it would be >>>> hard to tell that, looking at our mailing list or website. >>>> >>>> So far we've been quiet about new committers. We have the votes, >>>> process the paper work, etc., on the ooo-private list. >>>> >>>> Some Apache projects announce each new committer to their main mailing >>>> list. Others don't. We're received mixed advice from our mentors. >>>> >>>> IMHO, we want to avoid two errors, at the extremes: >>>> >>>> 1) A public announcement note for new committers that is read as being >>>> too congratulatory, one that makes those who are not committers (or >>>> not yet committers) feel less appreciated. >>>> >>>> 2) Total lack of any acknowledgement of new committers/PPMC that leads >>>> observers to believe that new committers are chosen in a secret >>>> ceremony involving ceremonial robes, oaths, and animal sacrifices. >>>> >>>> An announcement of a new committer should not be surprising. It >>>> should confirm what any regular observer of the mailing list already >>>> knows, namely that person X is actively involved in the project and is >>>> making high quality contributions. So on one hand, acknowledging a new >>>> committer should not tell you anything that you don't already know. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, there is reinforcement value to stating what we >>>> know, especially for newer members of the project, i.e., the project's >>>> future committers. >>>> >>>> By analogy, I've worked in situations where job promotions were given >>>> secretly, and people were shy to ever speak of them. It suggested >>>> that the company could not bear the scrutiny of seeing the inequity of >>>> hoiw promotions were given out. And I've worked places where >>>> promotions were announced widely, with a summary of the person's >>>> recent contributions, reinforcing to the entire team the kinds of >>>> contributions that could get them -- some day -- a similar promotion. >>>> >>>> If we believe that we're doing a good job at selecting new committers >>>> then we should want this to be known. Transparency shows the fairness >>>> of the process. >>>> >>>> Obviously the context here at Apache is not the same. But I think the >>>> choices are analogous. >>>> >>>> Personally, I'm in favor of a modest announcement to the ooo-dev list >>>> after a new committer has been elected and have submitted the iCLA. >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > > -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
