As far as I can tell, it is a condition of Apache governance that it be done on the list. That is a requirement for how The Apache Way works. It is up to all of us to have it work.
I don't believe, however, that ooo-marketing counts as a list where deliberation on matters of the project should happen. It does not strike me that a lazy consensus is appropriate there, unless it is to bring something to this list. I also notice that the choice of product name suddenly forked onto ooo-user too. Whoever did that was not being helpful. - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Process for deciding on branding strategy for our first release On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Looking at the dev work that remains, I think we need to move forward > >> on this with deliberate speed. This impacts both the branding on our > >> 3.4 release, as well as the branding on our web sites, both of which > >> are making strong progress. > >> > >> I think there are two main elements we need to decide on: > >> > >> 1) Product name: Apache OpenOffice, Apache OpenOffice.org or something > >> else > >> > >> 2) Logo, for use on website, product splash screen etc. > >> > >> I propose that we discuss these topics on the ooo-marketing for two > >> weeks, until November 14th. If there is consensus on these questions > >> then we will go forward to implement that consensus. But if there is > >> no consensus by the 14th, then we will have a 72-hour vote of PPMC > >> members to decide among the alternatives. > >> > >> Of course, it is better to reach consensus on such questions, but a > >> product name is not optional, so we need to resolve these questions > >> one way or another. > >> > >> Any objections to this general approach and time frame? > >> > >> -Rob > >> > > > > My largest issue is basically the way is being handled this voting, > usually > > it seems that is not as easily traceable as a poll. Mailing list can > easily > > bury vote by just having chatty people or flamewars. > > I rather see the forum as a more dynamic way to reach consensus like they > > do with a voting poll separate from the overall discussion why is a good > > idea or not. Also I would miss the ability to change the voting in case > the > > voter realize that he has a change of heart. I do like the timeline. > > So I would propose a decision making framework to account vote, change > > votes, and easily browse/review overall group decisions. > > > > The way an Apache project typically does this is via separate > [DISCUSSION] and [VOTE] threads. So it would be clear which is which. > And in the [VOTE] thread we would only count the last vote a person > makes, so they can change their vote freely. > > But I would only have a [VOTE] if after 2 weeks there was still no > consensus. > > Would that work? > not really > > -Rob > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
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