On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > As far as I can tell, it is a condition of Apache governance that it be done > on the list. That is a requirement for how The Apache Way works. It is up > to all of us to have it work. > > I don't believe, however, that ooo-marketing counts as a list where > deliberation on matters of the project should happen.
I thought we were too quick to set that up. It bifurcates discussions. This is the first example. > > It does not strike me that a lazy consensus is appropriate there, unless it > is to bring something to this list. > > I also notice that the choice of product name suddenly forked onto ooo-user > too. Whoever did that was not being helpful. It was a user who was having trouble posting to ooo-marketing. Opinions about the name are everywhere. Regards, Dave > > > - Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alexandro > Colorado > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:40 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Process for deciding on branding strategy for our first release > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Looking at the dev work that remains, I think we need to move forward >>>> on this with deliberate speed. This impacts both the branding on our >>>> 3.4 release, as well as the branding on our web sites, both of which >>>> are making strong progress. >>>> >>>> I think there are two main elements we need to decide on: >>>> >>>> 1) Product name: Apache OpenOffice, Apache OpenOffice.org or something >>>> else >>>> >>>> 2) Logo, for use on website, product splash screen etc. >>>> >>>> I propose that we discuss these topics on the ooo-marketing for two >>>> weeks, until November 14th. If there is consensus on these questions >>>> then we will go forward to implement that consensus. But if there is >>>> no consensus by the 14th, then we will have a 72-hour vote of PPMC >>>> members to decide among the alternatives. >>>> >>>> Of course, it is better to reach consensus on such questions, but a >>>> product name is not optional, so we need to resolve these questions >>>> one way or another. >>>> >>>> Any objections to this general approach and time frame? >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>> >>> My largest issue is basically the way is being handled this voting, >> usually >>> it seems that is not as easily traceable as a poll. Mailing list can >> easily >>> bury vote by just having chatty people or flamewars. >>> I rather see the forum as a more dynamic way to reach consensus like they >>> do with a voting poll separate from the overall discussion why is a good >>> idea or not. Also I would miss the ability to change the voting in case >> the >>> voter realize that he has a change of heart. I do like the timeline. >>> So I would propose a decision making framework to account vote, change >>> votes, and easily browse/review overall group decisions. >>> >> >> The way an Apache project typically does this is via separate >> [DISCUSSION] and [VOTE] threads. So it would be clear which is which. >> And in the [VOTE] thread we would only count the last vote a person >> makes, so they can change their vote freely. >> >> But I would only have a [VOTE] if after 2 weeks there was still no >> consensus. >> >> Would that work? >> > > not really > > >> >> -Rob >> >>> -- >>> *Alexandro Colorado* >>> *OpenOffice.org* Español >>> http://es.openoffice.org >>> fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 >>> >> > > > > -- > *Alexandro Colorado* > *OpenOffice.org* Español > http://es.openoffice.org > fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
