On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 09:16:43AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>>>> There was a large effort to handle the redirector to the different NL. NL >>>>> are not translations of the homepage are different communities in itself. >>>>> Something that was governance with the NLC and other structures. >> >> N-L Projects had Project Leads >> http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html >> >> You can read some rules in http://native-lang.openoffice.org/ >> >> Basically, N-L Projects were managed by Project Leads. >> IMO fortunately in The Apache Way there is no place for Project Leads >> anymore. >> > > We are a single project. But someone can still volunteer to "take the > lead" on something. So Dave Fisher took the lead in getting the OOo > website moved over to Apache. We all acknowledge his enthusiasm and > skill in this area, the generosity of his time. No one appointed him > "Webmaster" or "Lead" for that effort. But he is the de facto lead > for that effort because he demonstrated leadership and volunteered to > lead that effort. But next week it could be someone else doing the > same task. It is very fluid.
Thanks for this. I've documented the process both in the svn archive and on the website. I am very willing to share. Changes are welcome. For the website I'll give others credit for starting to move the NL projects: - Raphael Bircher did the DE port from kenai and provided the svn address for Kenai. - Marcus worked in the DE site and with Downloads. - Kay is the one who did most of the initial migrations of the NL sites. There was trouble and I am filling from behind. - Alexandro has made a couple of tweaks to the ES site. I hope I haven't forgotten anyone. > > I think OOo was more vertical and hierarchical in how the project was > structured, with formal roles and leads that defined domains of > exclusive control. There is nothing wrong with that. Most > corporations are like that. Apache projects are more horizontal. > There are no predefined roles. But we naturally have different > interests and skills and our efforts naturally sort themselves > according to those preferences. And these interests might change over > time. But there are no formal appointed leads. It is more about > coordination than control. Whether or not we continue NL sites when the switchover occurs is a decision for the project. Whether or not translations occur in each NL site or as translations of key pages in www & the rest depends on whether or not there are individuals who are committed to doing and maintaining the translations - or the NL sites. The experience of migrating the NL sites is leading me towards the translation approach. OTH - Communities have built sites and they have an interest in the results. If we decide to change to a translation approach it will still be good to have the existing OOo in a tag in the ooo-site tree. That way it can be recovered. > > That's my view of how it works. Others may be a different view of > this. That is expected. No one has exclusive control over saying > what the Apache Way means. My purpose is to enable the community. If I overstep then pull my leash (gently please) Best Regards, Dave > > > -Rob > >>>>> NL like >>>>> ES, FR and JA are structurally different to the EN homepage. >>>>> >>>>> There was a whole body of work so that it was easy for people to locate >>>>> their NLC. Might be a good idea to see how much this change from the >>>>> ooo-site and the openofficeorg tree. >>>> >>>> I've found that each NL site has very much their own main page. >>>> >>>> ES is especially different. >>>> >>>> I don't have a favorite, each has a certain charm and style. >> >> [...] >> >>>> The concern I have about other language versions within the podling >>>> site that they will diverge. Someone will change the en version and >>>> won't be able to change the zh, ja, or de versions. The maintainer of >>>> a version may move on. >>>> >>>> The existing NL sites are proof of this divergence. The DE site is >>>> very large and also quite out of date. I think that community moved >>>> onto the wiki some time ago. >>> >>> or the maintainer moved to LibreOffice. Anyway as i mentioned before >>> i would prefer to have translated pages with the same content only. >>> It makes things much easier. >> >> +1 >> as you said before, NL project will be better o the wiki, and let the >> $LANG.openoffice.org be just a translation of www.openoffice.org, with >> the same look and feel as the main site. >> >> Regards >> -- >> Ariel Constenla-Haile >> La Plata, Argentina >>
