On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Kay, > > I have some concerns that the buildbot broke recently. Also, somehow my > checkout of ooo-site was busted with a lock. I am currently doing a > re-checkout. > yes...sorry about that! "documentation" was HUGE and caused many problems I guess. Really I didn't know beforehand that this would happen. I even did a clean on it myself to try to resolve issues. Now that I have some better size guidelines, I think I can do better...although it will be less efficient. > On Nov 23, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > OK, I understand. As a point of clarification. I have a complete set vis > a > > vis openoffice.svn sites of all "accepted" and "incubator" projects > which I > > am now cleaning up and importing into the ooo-site svn tree. > > > > So, no matter what we decided ultimately about the ooo-site tree, we we > > will ahve copies. > > Excellent, having all the projects there is excellent. Let's take > advantage of this. > > > > > Given the large size of some of these areas, I was just concerned about > the > > import of some of them *at all* into the ooo-site svn tree. however, I > > know they really do need to be someplace where all the project committers > > (and contributors) can access them in order to be of any use right now. > > If you set the group ownership correctly all other committers should be > able to access your account in people.apache.org. Let's assume I am > correct for now without double checking. > I'll double check this. I thought anyone should be able to access these areas. > I was planning to check in every N-L site, tag each and then delete the > N-L from ooo-site. If your archive is available to all committers then this > is a better archive location than svn. Fewer steps and less impact to the > ASF infrastructure. > > > > > So, I will get back to the import process on Friday, and hopefully, can > get > > the legacy "accepted" projects in the ooo-site tree for further > evaluation > > by SUnday. > > Yes and I would avoid doing anymore N-L projects. > > Since Khirano is willing to do a translation of the new main site. If > Pedro and the other Italians and MArcus and the other Germans. Plus > Alexandro and the Spanish are in Consensus to do translations of the new > main (Am I missing any other "active" N-L projects?) then I am for removing > all N-L now. > > I am back over the weekend and we can start focusing on the final push. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> My recommendation is that everything in terms of web pages should be > >> preserved that is not already captured in the bugzilla, MediaWiki, and > >> Community Forums. > >> > >> Cleanup can happen on our ooo-site SVN in anticipation of the cut-over > and > >> after the cut-over. The remodeling to divide up the site content and > also > >> provide adequate portal operation from openoffice.org to the Apache > >> OpenOffice development/project site does not have to be completed, or > even > >> started very much, prior to cut-over. It is something to nibble through > >> when there is no time-limit over our heads and the keys to the live > content > >> are in our custody. > >> > >> - Dennis > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 08:56 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites > >> > >> +1...all good, and something we had discussed early on. > >> > >> However, as I work on porting legacy info over, I am wondering what to > do > >> about the more "developer" centered areas of the site: api, sc, sw, > >> framework, external (? -- I need to look at this one), tools,porting, > and > >> many others that are not really "user centered". I will load these into > the > >> ooo-site tree, but at some point, someone on the "developer" side should > >> really cull this out and move them to the "developer" side so we don't > >> continually deal with these areas on the "user portal". > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> We have with this project something that most other Apache projects > >>> don't have and which the legacy OOo project never had. We have two > >>> independent websites. > >>> > >>> We have the legacy www.openoffice.org website, which served as an > >>> end-user portal for OpenOffice as well as a website for project > >>> participants. > >>> > >>> And we have the http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/, which on > >>> graduation probably becomes something shorter, like > >>> http://openoffice.apache.org. For most Apache projects their website > >>> also serves both purposes: a site for users as well as project > >>> participants. > >>> > >>> So, we have both of these websites, and a lot of redundancy caused by > >>> it. This obviously has a downside. It makes it hard to update, since > >>> a lot of information is in both places. And it confuses users since > >>> the websites are out of sync on some important topics. It also > >>> prevents us from really optimizing the experience for each audience. > >>> I suspect that long-term this dual-website with overlapping content is > >>> not a maintainable model. > >>> > >>> What can we do? > >>> > >>> I hope I am not committing heresy if I say that most users of > >>> OpenOffice care as little about Apache as drinker of a Pepsi cares > >>> about the Board of Directors of PepsiCo Corporation. The average user > >>> (and we're talking about millions of them) cares about downloading, > >>> installing, using, learning about and generally being productive with > >>> OpenOffice. It is a tool they use to do their work. Their work is > >>> what matters to them, not our work. > >>> > >>> But of course we also have a growing number of users, contributors and > >>> committers who want to get more involved with the project. OpenOffice > >>> is interesting to them. They identify with it. They want to learn > >>> more than just the basics. They are intrigued by open source. They > >>> want to help. They want to get more involved. > >>> > >>> The trick I think, is to have websites that speak to each of these > >>> audiences, as well as an easy/obvious way to navigate between them, > >>> while at the same time avoiding unnecessary cross talk and redundancy. > >>> > >>> For example, could we have something like this: > >>> > >>> 1) www.openoffice.org is the website for the OpenOffice product. It > >>> is the end user site, focused on their interactions with the product. > >>> So download, help, extensions, support. It is not how they interact > >>> with the project. It serves the narrow focus on the product. > >>> > >>> > >>> 2) incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg (eventually > >>> openoffice.apache.org) on the other hand is where the project members > >>> work and where the public (includiing users) interacts with the > >>> project. Not the product, but the project. > >>> > >>> This dual website is quite commonly used for managing large and > >>> important brands. For example, the consumer, when interfacting with > >>> the brand Pepsi and Pepsi products goes to: > >>> > >>> http://www.pepsi.com > >>> > >>> But the person who wants to learn more about the company goes to > another > >>> URL: > >>> > >>> http://www.pepsico.com/ > >>> > >>> Navigating between then is possible via a link on the page footer. > >>> But generally each site is optimized for its target audience. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> MzK > >> > >> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged > >> by the way its animals are treated." > >> -- Mohandas Gandhi > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged > > by the way its animals are treated." > > -- Mohandas Gandhi > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -- Mohandas Gandhi
