Am 11/22/2011 06:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
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AH!! Jürgen said the magic word: PORTAL. Now I can say something that
> has been nagging at me without words.
It will be extremely valuable for the openoffice.org web site to remain
> the portal of the openoffice.org lineage, where the entry to Apache
> OpenOffice is more tightly-coupled but not exclusive. And user support
> is for the lineage, even though activity may become more about Apache
> OpenOffice releases in the future.
One concern about changing the URLs for the wiki and the forums: This
> will break absolute bookmarks and cross-references from users and from
> elsewhere in the site, including in the forums, unless the existing
> URLs are (also) preserved. This also impacts existing search-engine
> indexing.
Right. These are really wideley used and known URLs and should be (kind
of) preserved. So, if possible I would suggest to let the shorter URLs
become the real ones and make a DNS redirect or httpd rewrite (depends
on the techncially backgound that I don't know) of the longer to the
shorter URLs.
In 1, 2 or 3 years we could define that the longer URLs can now be deleted.
I would rather preserve those URLs. The shorter ones are nice and the
> old ones could redirect to them. And I wouldn't do this quickly
> unless it is clearly a no-brainer and the redirect/rewrite works
> perfectly. It is also something that could be done independently of
> all the static-page remodeling that is needed.
PS:
How comes that the text is sometimes well formatting and like in this
mail it's only one long unwrapped line.
So, sorry if my hand-quoted text is worse.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 02:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rationalizing two OpenOffice websites
it sounds like a Déjà vu and i think we had already a discussion that
goes in this direction.
Yes, i totally agree on this separation and it makes sense to me. Moving
forward with this separation we need much less migration and can
concentrate on the most important pages of the main portal (for users)
www.openoffice.org.
Hopefully we can change wiki.services.openoffice.org to
wiki.openoffice.org and can redirect the old Url to the new short one.
and the same for the forum users.services.openoffice.org
The portal side provide the main info about the product (mainly
marketing material), provide the download (with the infra structure
behind), but also provides the entry points to the wiki, to the forum
and of course openoffice.apache.org for project members.
I really like that
Juergen
On 11/22/11 12:46 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
We have with this project something that most other Apache projects
don't have and which the legacy OOo project never had. We have two
independent websites.
[ ... ]
For example, could we have something like this:
1) www.openoffice.org is the website for the OpenOffice product. It
is the end user site, focused on their interactions with the product.
So download, help, extensions, support. It is not how they interact
with the project. It serves the narrow focus on the product.
2) incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg (eventually
openoffice.apache.org) on the other hand is where the project members
work and where the public (includiing users) interacts with the
project. Not the product, but the project.
This dual website is quite commonly used for managing large and
important brands. For example, the consumer, when interfacting with
the brand Pepsi and Pepsi products goes to:
http://www.pepsi.com
But the person who wants to learn more about the company goes to another URL:
http://www.pepsico.com/
Navigating between then is possible via a link on the page footer.
But generally each site is optimized for its target audience.
