On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 19 Dec 2011, at 16:56, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> On 12/17/11 4:44 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >>> Surely that's just a matter of fact, though? When AOO makes a new release, >>> it will be a different codebase under a different brand, so on both charts >>> would show as a new block. >> >> why do you think that it is a different code base? It is exactly the code >> base granted by Oracle to the ASF. Ok we cleaned up the code base, removed >> external libs, replace some and developed some new things. I would say >> normal work in the broadest sense ... Otherwise the code base would change >> for every release and we have blocks for each of them. > > The elimination of all non-Apache-licensed code from the former codebase is > hardly "normal work", and the replacement of the functions it performed with > other code from other sources won't be either. > > All this pretence that AOO somehow a "business as usual" continuation of the > former project is frankly unhelpful. Just face up to the fact this is a new > project in a new venue with new rules, a new license, a new brand, and strong > historic links to the former codebase. As Graham keeps hinting, treating this > as a strength seems to be both the right marketing policy and a great > opportunity to move beyond past hurts.
I think that we need to agree to disagree. Let's look at some AOO(i) accomplishments. - Moved Bugzilla to Apache Infrastructure. - Moved MediaWiki to Apache Infra. - Moved User Forums to Apache Infra. - Transferred Domain Registration of openoffice.org to the ASF. - Changed the headers to AL2.0 - Replaced many incompatible components. - About to move www.openoffice.org to Apache Infra. The new site is built and final adjustments are being made. - All of the NLP projects are included - they are there for volunteers. - Ready to migrate the Mailing Lists. - Extensions and Templates plans are being debated by Infrastructure. We are working to move as much of OpenOffice.org as possible, and it is a substantial portion of the assets. It looks like there is some confusion about the fact that the project is new, but the codebase etc. is as much as possible a continuation. I don't want to debate this. It is what we at the Apache OpenOffice (incubating) project are doing. People are welcome to join. Marketing discussions on ooo-marketing. As you imply there is a lot to do and energy is best spent doing! Donations to the ASF are not directed, but if you look at the list above you'll see that Apache Infrastructure is doing a lot for the project and donations do support that effort. Best Regards, Dave
