Well I think this issue is quite clear for me, and I feel able to showm how things work for those who wants to help, here in Brazil.
Thank you very much for your help. 2012/5/20 Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima > <paulo.s.l...@varekai.org> wrote: > > 2012/5/20 Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> > > > >> Please Paolo, > >> > >> What does this refer to: > >> > >> "Do you need to fill a form when you decide to help a friend > >> or someone unknown? Most of people don't think they need. > >> So, some of us will submit their requests for contributors. > >> Some will not." > >> > >> I have no idea how this relates to the Apache OpenOffice project and > those > >> communities that adopt, share and advocate use of the software. > >> > >> > > Ok. Let me try to explain again. Maybe the language barrier could be > making > > me diffiicult to do that. > > > > 1- When OpenOffice.org were living, we had a great and promising > community > > in Brazil. > > 2 - In that time, we had not to fill any kind of form to contribute and > to > > be accepted as a contributor. Everyone was watching what we were doing > and > > that was enough. > > 3 - I don't know if you are aware about what has happened to brOffice.org > > NGO. It's a long and disgusting story I could tell you in another > > opportunity. But that divided our community in those who had commercial > > interests in brazilian market and those who contributed freely and had > > their work stolen, when TDF was formed. > > 4 - Suddenly, TDF was requesting that every person who wanted to be > called > > a "contributor" should fill a agreement request in order to be > > "recognized". So we became to be concerned about that huge amount of > people > > who contributed and didn't want to fill a formal agreement to a foreign > > organization that don't speak their language and has a lot of "channels", > > many of them obscured. > > 5 - In addition, people who we were fighting bacame key persons in TDF. > One > > of them became a "brazilian" member of the BoD, with 70 votes, when > > brazilian accepted members in Brazil were less than 15 and most of them > > didn't vote for him. > > 6 - Facing all those issues, many of us got out. Some have gone to take > > care of their own lives. Some were seeking some other project to > contribute > > for. We are the remains of those who were seeking a project to contribute > > for. > > 7 - Some of us are not intending to fill a form in order to became a > > "contributor". They don't think it's necessary, and I don't think either. > > despite of that they continue to do a great job marketing AOO, without > your > > knowledge. You don't know them, but we, brazilians, certainly do. > > 8 - This discussion was already made in TDF mailing lists, without > success > > for us. > > 9 - I don't want to bring a polemic issue like that here, because I know > > you would ask more and more about it, and some answers cannot be exactly > > what you want to see. > > 10 - I am tired of discussing this issue. I had a wearing discussion with > > TDF BoD once and, if brazilian people don't want to speak for themselves, > > I'll be quiet also, because I am telling you what is/was happening, but I > > am not a spokesman for anyone. > > > > And Rob... There's no "abstract vollunteers" up here. There are > vollunteers > > you don't know and who are doing a great job, despite the fact you don't > > know them. > > > > The issues are abstract until you say person X wants to do Y and > cannot do it because of Z. > > Fill in X, Y and Z and then we have a problem we can solve. > > Something else to note: There are different levels of participation > for volunteers in an Apache project. One can be a > contributor/developers without signing the ICLA and without doing any > other paper work. A contributor can participate in any of our mailing > lists, sign up for a wiki account (on MWiki and Confluence) can create > a Bugzilla account, can enter translations in Pootle, can even fix > bugs and submit patches. So there is a lot that they can do without > signing the ICLA. > > However, to get direct commit access to the source repository, used > for the source code and the website, you need to be voted in as a > Committer and sign the ICLA. There are a few other permissions that > we only give to Committers, like login rights for Pootle, admin access > to servers, etc. > > So there should not a lot of bureaucracy needed for volunteers to be > active with the project. But if I am wrong (and I might be) then the > best way to argue that point is with a specific example. > > -Rob > > > > > > > > >> - Dennis > >> > > > > Regards. > > > > -- > > Paulo de Souza Lima > > http://almalivre.wordpress.com > > Curitiba - PR > > Linux User #432358 > > Ubuntu User #28729 > -- Paulo de Souza Lima http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729
