On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:27 PM, drew jensen wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2012-08-15 at 14:45 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there a reason that the README in the source release is still pointing >>>>> at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions for Mac Builds? >>>>> >>>>> Minimally this then points to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaBuild >>>>> this doesn't seem exactly like what was used for 3.4.0? >>>>> >>>>> Would someone check the Build instructions and then update to be very >>>>> clear what is current. >>>>> >>>>> I am proceeding with my tests as if the prerequisites have not changed >>>>> and that I have them from my AOO 3.4 tests build. >>>> >>>> I am stuck and I am stopping. I am very unhappy with the instructions on >>>> the WIki page. I needed help with 3.4 and now I need help with 3.4.1. >>>> >>>> Please show me the simplest way to build on a Mac from Source and show me >>>> on the Wiki based on >>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions >>>> >>>> BTW - Remember that SOURCE is the ONLY OFFICIAL RELEASE. >>> >>> - but I thought that as part of accepting this project ASF was saying >>> they were open to change.. am I just wrong on that - cause folks keep >>> saying this as if it is a FACT and I thought it was going to be up to >>> this project to decide whether binaries are official, or not. >>> >>> That is what I thought when I cast my non-binding vote to create this >>> project at ASF - specifically that it was recognized as needing this >>> type of differentiation from earlier projects. >> >> Binary artifacts are fine, they are just considered to be "unofficial >> convenience artifacts". >> > > A citation, please?
You would need to be listening to the evolving conversations on general@ and legal-discuss@ Documentation is always behind that. Sorry. > >> The ASF's mission is software for the public good. That means that users >> must be able to see the source and be able to build it for themselves. They >> must be able to inspect the source to see that it is unhindered. >> > > That phrase is also used in the release management guidelines as an > explanation for why "binary-only" release are not permitted. But the > same guidelines talk extensively about including binary packages in > releases. > >> So, the IP must be clear and transparently so. This is what an IPMC and ASF >> Member must measure their vote on. >> > > Sure. > >> Sorry, I'm a bit cranky right now. My cpan disappeared while trying to >> assure that I had the now required LWP::UserAgent. No one tested the new >> download_external_dependencies.pl properly. >> > > OK. > >> My real message is that the project needs to clean up the build instructions >> so that special knowledge and/or help is not a prerequisite. >> > > Yes, but please stop with inflammatory statements that have in the > past been repeated by others, outside of the project, as a source of > FUD against the project. We really don't need more of this. We all > care about the source. But let's not diminish the importance or the > status of the binaries. No let's not. The BINARIES are VERY IMPORTANT! But they are not so important that we neglect to help people build from source. Now, I better eat and get my blood sugar in shape.. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > > -Rob > >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >>> >>> //drew >>> >>>> >>>> (I really don't want to -1 this release.) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks & Regards, >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Jürgen Schmidt <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: August 15, 2012 7:01:47 AM PDT >>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating), RC2 >>>>>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>>> delivered-to: mailing list [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> please vote on this email to ooo-dev only, thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/15/12 2:02 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this is a call for vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache >>>>>>> OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating). This will be our first bug fix release >>>>>>> after the AOO 3.4 from May 8th. A further milestone to show that we >>>>>>> deliver good and stable software with focus on quality. It will again >>>>>>> help to continue the success of OpenOffice.org and will gain confidence >>>>>>> in OpenOffice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This time I did not prepare a separate page to highlighting the release >>>>>>> candidate. We had developer snapshot since several weeks and the latest >>>>>>> one based on revision 1372282 is intended to become released if the >>>>>>> voting succeeds. That means and to make it clear you vote here on the >>>>>>> final release based on this snapshot build. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This release is intended to be a bug fix release and to introduce some >>>>>>> further languages: >>>>>>> (1) 71 issues are fixed and a detailed list can be watched under >>>>>>> http://s.apache.org/Huv. >>>>>>> (2) 5 further languages are now officially supported: British English, >>>>>>> Khmer, Slovenian, Slovak, and Finnish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Release+Notes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary >>>>>>> releases for 20 languages) and further information how to verify and >>>>>>> review Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) can be found on the >>>>>>> following wiki page: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 >>>>>>> (incubating). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The vote starts now and will be open until: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saturday, 18 August: 2012-08-18 2:00pm UTC+2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After the vote of the PPMC the vote will start on >>>>>>> [email protected] mailing and will be open for further 72 >>>>>>> hours. >>>>>>> But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like >>>>>>> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project >>>>>>> members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) >>>>>>> [ ] 0 Don't care >>>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>
