Hi Chris,

again Thanks for your feedback.

On 25.09.2012 16:18, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Hi Oliver,

Thanks! Comments below:

On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

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(1a) If not, do you have any recommendation how the money should be spent?

(2) What are the possibilities to spend the "travel expense subsidy" money?
(2a) Do you have a recommendation how the money should be spent?

Regarding the above, I'd say come up with a process that is documented, you 
guys decide how
you want to spend it, come up with a Bill or someone to pay, provide that 
information
to the Treasurer@ list (me and Sam) and we'll move forward with the approval 
process.

Right now, our bills are paid by having someone with the appropriate karma put 
a file in:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/received/

Then, they are reviewed by someone with the appropriate budget authority (e.g., 
in Travel I
believe that's Jim since he's the President) and then placed in:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/approved/

At that point, the Treasurer's office can pay the bill (via wire transfer; 
electronic funds deposit, etc.)
provided that all the information is given to address the payee, and then once 
we pay, we
move the bill into:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/paid/

I do not think that we will real bills that need to be paid as the granted 
travel expense subsidy will in general cover only a part of the overall travel 
expenses.
Is it possible that the treasurer pay money based on the granting process and a 
final confirmation note to the Treasurer@ list?

Well I think the point is that I need something to appear in Bills/received/ in 
order to pay something. So, IOW, RE:
travel grants and so forth, we can offer to use our money to reimburse things 
like airfare, or hotel, or, we probably
can figure out a way to simply send $$$ to someone, but we'd need payment 
information for them somehow that
would probably best fit into the workflow to show up in ./Bills/received (even if 
it's not a bill, and simply a "request
to pay"). That way the President can review it, approve it, and then I or Sam 
Ruby (Asst Treasurer) can pay it.

Make sense?

I am somehow believing that I know how the spending is working and what are the preconditions and the needs. But I am not 100% sure.
Thus, let me allow to present my concrete idea, which I have in mind:
<my idea>
When a certain travel expense subsidy application has been accepted, we will ask the person to provide corresponding payment information to Treasurer@ list. Treasurer@ list can receive confirmation from ooo-dev that the person's application has been accepted for amount 300 EUR or 600 EUR. Thus, an entry into the "received" folder can be created. On the ApacheCon EU 2012 the person comes to a Treasurer@ or selected ooo-dev representative to confirm that she/he is attending and that she/he has spent certain travel expenses. Treasurer@ or selected ooo-dev rep. can then approve the payment --> formerly created entry is moved from "received" folder to "approved" folder. The Treasurer@ pays the 300 EUR resp. 600 EUR according to the payment information --> entry is moved from "approved" to "paid".
</my idea>

Is something like this or similar working?
As far as I understood we need the following:
- an accepted application ("full name" and "amount" from the granting process) and payment information for an entry in "received". - confirmation that travel expenses are spent for ApacheCon EU 2012 to get the entry into "approved".

Do I have the correct understanding?



Best regards, Oliver.

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