On Saturday 04 March 2006 11:21, Dieter wrote:
> > So, comment, complain, rant, flame, suggest
>
> Okay, but you asked for it!  :-)
>
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> quoted-printable sucks.
> (could be worse, base64 sucks even more.)
> Email text should be plain text.

The mail I got back from the list says "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit;", and 
my client uses plain us-ascii unless I use characters that aren't in there, 
in which case it switches to UTF-8. Perhaps it got mangled somewhere between 
the list server and your client?

> > You can find it at
> > http://nova.student.utwente.nl/~lourens/ogp/template.html
>
> Seems to work with links-gui.  Most of the links don't work, but I
> assume you know that.
>
> The "null" link (?) doesn't work with dillo like it does with links-gui.

It's intended as a look-and-feel mockup, not as a working web site. So the 
links are indeed all broken, but I imagine they will work when there is 
actual content.

> Dillo has 23 complaints about
> http://nova.student.utwente.nl/~lourens/ogp/
> Click on the little "23" down in the corner to see them.

I just installed Dillo 0.8.5, but it doesn't seem to want to give me any 
errors. There's a "Show HTML Bugs" button in the bottom-right corner, but it 
gives an empty window when I click on it. If you could mail me the error 
messages you're getting off-list, then I'll have a look at it. The whole 
thing validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict, so I'm really curious what it's got to 
say.

> I'd suggest that the top line should be "Open Graphics Project"
> (probably centered) rather than "News".

"News" is the page title, so this is a mockup of the news page. "Open Graphics 
Project" is already at the top of the page via CSS positioning, although it 
is at the bottom of the HTML. It is my understanding that this eases 
navigation for people using accessibility features, because they don't have 
to browse through the header and navigation widgets to get to the content. If 
you have to do that for every page it gets annoying. However, you're right in 
that in a text-based browser, it's a bit odd that the page starts with 
"News". The best solution is probably to move the "Open Graphics Project" 
header up to the top of the HTML file, then the content, and then the 
Projects and navigation bars. I'll change that in the next iteration.

> The second thing should be a brief explaination of what OGP is.
> Something like "The Open Graphics Project is designing a
> graphics/video board with a design that is available to the
> public.  A hardware version of the idea behind Free/Open
> Software such as BSD, Linux, and GNU."  Perhaps followed by a
> link to a longer description.

I figured that that long description would be in the About/FAQ page. Having 
the News page as the default is good for regular visitors, while having 
About/FAQ as the default is better for first-time visitors. Putting a short 
blurb with a link to About/FAQ at the top of the News page seems like a good 
compromise.

> I'd make the graphic a bit smaller.

It scales with the font size, at least in a graphical browser with CSS 
support. If you have Firefox or Konqueror, try and play with the font and 
window size and see how the layout responds to that. In a browser that does 
display images, but does not support CSS (like Dillo apparently) the image is 
displayed "raw" and then it's rather large. I think it could be a bit 
smaller, since the current size is really only useful if you have a high-DPI 
screen.

Lourens

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